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US military mulls attacking Somali pirates' land bases; pirates vow revenge

Appeasement has worked for decades, not going to stop anytime.

It is obvious you are not well schooled on history (among many other things); appeasement has NEVER worked when dealing with despots, dictators, terrorists or tyrants.

I would love to see you find one CREDIBLE source where appeasement has worked with such people. You won't find one.
 
The Islamists eliminated the Pirates and piracy by making it illegal and enforcing the law .... 6 whole months before US and Ethiopia overthrew the Islamist Government allowing piracy to start again :doh

Facts are certainly not your forte'; when did the US help Ethiopia overthrow the Islamist Government of Somalia? Please provide credible links to your sources.
 
LOL, Puntland abide by laws? Those out of control savages who are in Govt?

Puntland are the ones who are funding it. They have been building ports and smuggling weapons for a very long time.

The govt. gets bribes off the pirates which means that when they are caught, they are released without a hanging

For the second time, we are in agreement here; which is exactly why I am calling these thugs correctly "terrorists" and not pirates.
 
For the second time, we are in agreement here; which is exactly why I am calling these thugs correctly "terrorists" and not pirates.

I see where you are coming from. However, the pirates are doing what they do for money, not political purposes. That is why they are pirates and not terrorists. You quoted one of them earlier condemning America, which they are only doing because we attacked their guys to save that American captain who was being held hostage.
 
That makes little sense. Explain.

Well, it's not all that difficult. Men rape women. Women know this. If they don't want to be raped, they should stay away from men.

How one can compare the two is beyond me tho ...

It's you who's saying just about the same thing -- if ships don't want to be pirated, don't go where the pirates are. (Of course, you're sympathetic to the pirate animals, as you've said in multiple threads, so I don't expect you to be able to see why it's the same thing.)

Oh, and all appeasement ever does is encourage more of the same activity. Ever.
 
(Of course, you're sympathetic to the pirate animals, as you've said in multiple threads, so I don't expect you to be able to see why it's the same thing.)

I just wanted to point out that they're people, not animals. Dehumanizing people gets us nowhere.
 
I just wanted to point out that they're people, not animals. Dehumanizing people gets us nowhere.

They are people who act like animals. Putting a friendly face on it gets us nowhere, either.
 
Yeeeeeaaah. That's exactly what I was saying. :roll:

I'm just saying that it's silly to characterize them as animals just because you are disgusted by their actions. It makes your argument both absurd and purely emotionally based.
 
Wait a minute, is this what Obama promised us? I thought it was the economy stupid. Rescuing is one thing, now he's escalating things.

These pirates aren't just pirates, their hostage takings fuel the Jihad of al-Shabaab an AQ affiliated organization.
 
3) As far as I know, Congress has not authorized a war with Somalia, and thus attacking assets within their territory would be a illegal.

Not according to the war powers resolution of 1973 granting authority to the POTUS to engage U.S. forces for 60 days without Congressional authority.
 
They are people who act like animals. Putting a friendly face on it gets us nowhere, either.

It's easy to hate and dehumanize the pirates. All you have to do to realize that you're in err is exercise your imagination and put yourself in their shoes.

Imagine you're a teenager, a hard worker, but you barely make enough to live, let alone provide for your family. You're strong and tough and you're tired drinking the same water you **** in. One day you are approached by someone who tells you that he can set you up with a comfortable life, but it's a risky business riddled with danger. That's okay, because the danger excites you. It's thrilling.

I'm not saying what they do is "right," but in my mind it's understandable. The "kill 'em all" solution will never work, and we will all have more blood on our hands as a result.
 
If you know pirates operate there and you go there knowingly and it gets hijacked and didn't pack weapons ... They are stupid and should be out of the shipping business.

What is with this sudden boom of media interest in Somali pirates, it's been happening for years .... :S

And we've been killing them since the Barbary wars, America is real big on killing hostage taking Jihadist pirates around the horn of Africa, it's part of our heritage, it's as American as apple pie.
 
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I'm just saying that it's silly to characterize them as animals just because you are disgusted by their actions. It makes your argument both absurd and purely emotionally based.

Ummmm . . . how? It's a common convention of speech -- the "metaphor," which you should have learned about in 4th grade or so. Do you actually think I'm literally calling them non-human?

If that's the best you've got to counter what I'm saying, then you don't have much.

Not that I get why you'd want to.
 
It's easy to hate and dehumanize the pirates. All you have to do to realize that you're in err is exercise your imagination and put yourself in their shoes.

Imagine you're a teenager, a hard worker, but you barely make enough to live, let alone provide for your family. You're strong and tough and you're tired drinking the same water you **** in. One day you are approached by someone who tells you that he can set you up with a comfortable life, but it's a risky business riddled with danger. That's okay, because the danger excites you. It's thrilling.

I'm not saying what they do is "right," but in my mind it's understandable. The "kill 'em all" solution will never work, and we will all have more blood on our hands as a result.

Great analogy :roll:

Kinda like the inner city kids who can work at McDonalds, struggle to pay their way through school and pull themselves up out of poverty the good old fashioned way.

or

Sell crack on the street corner and terrorize the community.

They have choices to make. The animals that choose a life of crime get what they deserve.
 
Ummmm . . . how? It's a common convention of speech -- the "metaphor," which you should have learned about in 4th grade or so. Do you actually think I'm literally calling them non-human?

Of course not. My post asking you if animals actually hijack ships for money was an attempt at humor. Sorry that it was lost on you.

If that's the best you've got to counter what I'm saying, then you don't have much.

Not that I get why you'd want to.

I just think it's funny that people characterize people they don't like as something non-human because it helps them to dislike them more. It adds absolutely nothing to the discussion and is based purely in emotion. That was my only point. If you don't like or agree with my take on it, oh well. :lol:
 
It's easy to hate and dehumanize the pirates. All you have to do to realize that you're in err is exercise your imagination and put yourself in their shoes.

Imagine you're a teenager, a hard worker, but you barely make enough to live, let alone provide for your family. You're strong and tough and you're tired drinking the same water you **** in. One day you are approached by someone who tells you that he can set you up with a comfortable life, but it's a risky business riddled with danger. That's okay, because the danger excites you. It's thrilling.

I'm not saying what they do is "right," but in my mind it's understandable. The "kill 'em all" solution will never work, and we will all have more blood on our hands as a result.

I can understand the motivation of all kinds of crime, even heinous ones. That makes them no less evil. And your willingness to make excuses for it doesn't make you somehow more noble. Some things are simply beyond the pale.

(And the "kill 'em all solution" has, historically, been very effective for all sorts of things -- including piracy. I know people love to throw out the old trope "violence never solves anything," but in truth, it's as effective as anything else. That's reality of history. You may not like it; you may wish it were otherwise, but it's still so.)
 
Great analogy :roll:

Kinda like the inner city kids who can work at McDonalds, struggle to pay their way through school and pull themselves up out of poverty the good old fashioned way.

Exactly. They're humans as well and the path they chose is also understandable. The difference is in our country they have a ton of other options.

or

Sell crack on the street corner and terrorize the community.

They have choices to make. The animals that choose a life of crime get what they deserve.

They're not animals, they're human beings.
 
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