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    Re: US military mulls attacking Somali pirates' land bases; pirates vow revenge

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    There is a long history, and the problem is growing.
    They took an American ship and tried another...
    ... for me it's "one Strike and You're Out".

    There's what, 200 hostages in the hands of pirates at the moment?

    Time is NOW to rid the waters of this scourge.

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    1) You wont get rid of the problem (which is relatively minor by the way)
    2) The intermingling of pirates among the civilians would insure a death toll on the civilian population, further tarnishing the US image.
    3) As far as I know, Congress has not authorized a war with Somalia, and thus attacking assets within their territory would be a illegal.

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    Re: US military mulls attacking Somali pirates' land bases; pirates vow revenge

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    You don't think they won't become more and more armed and aggressive left unchecked?
    My guess is it will get worse unless halted.
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    Agressive against whom? The neighbours?
    Appeasement has worked for decades, not going to stop anytime. Bombing will solve nothing and neither will entering Somalia.

    You do realise going past Somalia is not the only shipping lane. One can go past South Africa which is much more safer.

    Around 1% of ships actually get hijacked but people make it sound like it is the end of the world and every ship is being hijacked.
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    Re: US military mulls attacking Somali pirates' land bases; pirates vow revenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Around 1% of ships actually get hijacked but people make it sound like it is the end of the world and every ship is being hijacked.
    That's 1% too many.

    Not every ship around the Horn is attacked. Every ship around the Horn is at risk. Every ship around the Horn has to contend with the additional cost of that risk.

    That's why the 1% is too many.

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    Re: US military mulls attacking Somali pirates' land bases; pirates vow revenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Agressive against whom? The neighbours?
    Appeasement has worked for decades, not going to stop anytime. Bombing will solve nothing and neither will entering Somalia.

    You do realise going past Somalia is not the only shipping lane. One can go past South Africa which is much more safer.

    Around 1% of ships actually get hijacked but people make it sound like it is the end of the world and every ship is being hijacked.
    Less than 1%, certainly....

    But how in the world could this course be altered? Are you suggesting that the ships should go West, through the Suez canal, and all the way around the continent? Going around the corner to get next door?


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    Re: US military mulls attacking Somali pirates' land bases; pirates vow revenge

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    That's 1% too many.

    Not every ship around the Horn is attacked. Every ship around the Horn is at risk. Every ship around the Horn has to contend with the additional cost of that risk.

    That's why the 1% is too many.
    If you know pirates operate there and you go there knowingly and it gets hijacked and didn't pack weapons ... They are stupid and should be out of the shipping business.

    What is with this sudden boom of media interest in Somali pirates, it's been happening for years .... :S


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    Re: US military mulls attacking Somali pirates' land bases; pirates vow revenge

    Quote Originally Posted by BulletWounD View Post
    Less than 1%, certainly....

    But how in the world could this course be altered? Are you suggesting that the ships should go West, through the Suez canal, and all the way around the continent? Going around the corner to get next door?

    If they don't want to get hijacked, seems logical to me to find another path


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    Re: US military mulls attacking Somali pirates' land bases; pirates vow revenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    If they don't want to get hijacked, seems logical to me to find another path
    Sure it does, until you realize the path you're suggesting adds thousands of miles to the trip and a ton of money due to logistics, overhead, and additional risk due to variable weather conditions. Basically, they've decided it's cheaper to go past Somalia and pay the ransom on the very slight chance that their ships are taken. They're within their rights according to international law.

    Like I said before, I have no qualms with rescue operations to preserve life and property, but trying to "eliminate piracy" through force is an irrational objective.
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    Re: US military mulls attacking Somali pirates' land bases; pirates vow revenge

    Quote Originally Posted by BulletWounD View Post
    Sure it does, until you realize the path you're suggesting adds thousands of miles to the trip. Basically, they've decided it's cheaper to go past Somalia and pay the ransom on the very slight chance that their ships are taken. They're within their rights according to international law.

    Like I said before, I have no qualms with rescue operations to preserve life and property, but trying to "eliminate piracy" through force is an irrational objective.
    When was piracy ever eliminated by any other means?

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    Re: US military mulls attacking Somali pirates' land bases; pirates vow revenge

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    When was piracy ever eliminated by any other means?
    The Islamists eliminated the Pirates and piracy by making it illegal and enforcing the law .... 6 whole months before US and Ethiopia overthrew the Islamist Government allowing piracy to start again


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    Re: US military mulls attacking Somali pirates' land bases; pirates vow revenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    If you know pirates operate there and you go there knowingly and it gets hijacked and didn't pack weapons ... They are stupid and should be out of the shipping business.
    The not packing of weapons is due in large part to international treaty--the lack of arms is part of what makes a ship a civilian merchantman.

    The "not going there" is a foolish canard. Cargo ships are within their rights to use the best route to reach their destination. Somalis are not within their rights to interfere with that movement. That puts the Somalis in the wrong.

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