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    Re: US military mulls attacking Somali pirates' land bases; pirates vow revenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    You did not answer my question.

    If you right, there must then be no universally defined good.

    Murdering jews, helping the blind to see and the crippled to walk -- its all a matter of persepctive.

    Right?
    There is no universally defined good either.

    And yes it is a matter of perspective. Obviously the nazis didn't believe that they were doing evil.

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    Re: US military mulls attacking Somali pirates' land bases; pirates vow revenge

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    Most of the things you listed were extreme exaggerations...ie. hyperbole. I don't know how to make it any more clear for you.
    No, they are real-world examples of things which actually happened, which, according to someone's point of view, are perfectly "understandable."

    I find it hilarious that you seem to want to put logical limits on what you're saying, when you're defending the classic, long-recognized jus cogens atrocity of piracy.

    Yes, but they are man made rules. They aren't necessarily what is right or wrong for everyone. A person can break those rules obviously but not without consequence. It doesn't make the rules right all of a sudden.
    So, I guess we're back to no rules being any better than any other. If not, if some rules are more right than others, explain how.


    Again, they are right for me as they only apply to me. That's all I care about. I'm selfish like that.
    Yet, they are rules you want everyone to live by, if they're your politics. If not, then they're not actually politics, and you're simply evading the question.

    One cannot fairly claim I didn't give you plenty of opportunity.
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    Re: US military mulls attacking Somali pirates' land bases; pirates vow revenge

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    There is no universally defined good either.

    And yes it is a matter of perspective. Obviously the nazis didn't believe that they were doing evil.
    Do you think the holocaust was an act of evil?

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    Re: US military mulls attacking Somali pirates' land bases; pirates vow revenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    One cannot fairly claim I didn't give you plenty of opportunity.
    I'll answer the question for him. He's an egoist. He doesn't believe in right or wrong or justice or anything of that nature. He believes in the strong dominating the weak and actions being dictated by consequences. He doesn't believe in the rule of law or the golden rules or anything like that, though he benefits greatly from others' application of them. We are weak and he is strong and he will rape us repeatedly until we change our ways.

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    Re: US military mulls attacking Somali pirates' land bases; pirates vow revenge

    Quote Originally Posted by BulletWounD View Post
    Do you think the holocaust was an act of evil?
    Personally? I don't believe in evil, so no. Do I think it was a horrible thing? Yes. I obviously don't advocate the death of people for their race, religion, beliefs, etc.

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    Re: US military mulls attacking Somali pirates' land bases; pirates vow revenge

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    Personally? I don't believe in evil, so no. Do I think it was a horrible thing? Yes. I obviously don't advocate the death of people for their race, religion, beliefs, etc.
    Why was it horrible? Why don't you advocate it?

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    Re: US military mulls attacking Somali pirates' land bases; pirates vow revenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    No, they are real-world examples of things which actually happened, which, according to someone's point of view, are perfectly "understandable."

    I find it hilarious that you seem to want to put logical limits on what you're saying, when you're defending the classic, long-recognized jus cogens atrocity of piracy.
    You can keep on trying to defend your hyperbole. It changes nothing.

    So, I guess we're back to no rules being any better than any other. If not, if some rules are more right than others, explain how.
    It depends on the perspective. Some rules are more right for some people others aren't.

    Yet, they are rules you want everyone to live by, if they're your politics. If not, then they're not actually politics, and you're simply evading the question.

    One cannot fairly claim I didn't give you plenty of opportunity.
    I don't necessarily think they are right on a large scale. As I've said many times, they are right for me and that's all I care about. I think it would be arrogant to assume that my personal views and way of living would be right for everyone.

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    Re: US military mulls attacking Somali pirates' land bases; pirates vow revenge

    Quote Originally Posted by BulletWounD View Post
    Why was it horrible? Why don't you advocate it?
    It was horrible because I personally think it's wrong to kill innocent people. Notice I said wrong...not evil. I don't advocate it because I was raised with the ideals that killing innocent people is wrong just as most of us were.

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    Re: US military mulls attacking Somali pirates' land bases; pirates vow revenge

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    It was horrible because I personally think it's wrong to kill innocent people. Notice I said wrong...not evil. I don't advocate it because I was raised with the ideals that killing innocent people is wrong just as most of us were.
    evil: 1 a: morally reprehensible : sinful, wicked <an evil impulse> b: arising from actual or imputed bad character or conduct <a person of evil reputation>
    2 aarchaic : inferior b: causing discomfort or repulsion : offensive <an evil odor> c: disagreeable <woke late and in an evil temper>
    3 a: causing harm : pernicious <the evil institution of slavery> b: marked by misfortune : unlucky

    wrong:1 a: an injurious, unfair, or unjust act : action or conduct inflicting harm without due provocation or just cause b: a violation or invasion of the legal rights of another ; especially : tort
    2: something wrong, immoral, or unethical ; especially : principles, practices, or conduct contrary to justice, goodness, equity, or law
    3: the state, position, or fact of being or doing wrong: as a: the state of being mistaken or incorrect b: the state of being guilty

    evil - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

    wrong - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary
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    Re: US military mulls attacking Somali pirates' land bases; pirates vow revenge

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    You can keep on trying to defend your hyperbole. It changes nothing.
    And you can keep calling it "hyperbole," but it won't make it so, especially when you've already conceded the very point you're calling "hyperbole" in other posts.


    It depends on the perspective. Some rules are more right for some people others aren't.
    So . . . all men are not created equal. And no set of rules is any better than any other.


    I don't necessarily think they are right on a large scale. As I've said many times, they are right for me and that's all I care about. I think it would be arrogant to assume that my personal views and way of living would be right for everyone.
    Yeah. For the fourth time, it isn't about your "personal views of living." It's about the rules you favor imposing on everyone. But you're obviously never going to acknowledge that.

    As such, I'm off this merry-go-round.
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