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    Re: US military mulls attacking Somali pirates' land bases; pirates vow revenge

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    No, because there is no absolute morality that everyone subscribes to defining good and evil. People all have their own personal perceptions and opinions of what is good and what is evil.

    For instance, considering that these pirates are humans and not animals do you think that they perceive what they are doing as evil?
    I'm sure they do, but they don't care. They want money, like bank robbers.
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    Re: US military mulls attacking Somali pirates' land bases; pirates vow revenge

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I'm sure they do, but they don't care. They want money, like bank robbers.
    How could you possibly be sure? Their motivation is money and to them money is good and they are willing to get it at whatever cost. That doesn't make them evil.

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    Re: US military mulls attacking Somali pirates' land bases; pirates vow revenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    It's a nice dodge, but you still define "evil" down to meaninglessness.
    Good and evil become meaningless when you try to assign those attributes to a person instead of their actions.

    Every post you've directed at me.
    Please point out exactly where I "judged" you. I don't even think I've assigned judgment to your posts, let alone your person.

    By your own statement above, how can you know this?

    And what is an "act of evil"?
    That's a good question. I would say it is any violation of the golden rule, but there are all kinds of theories on this.

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    Re: US military mulls attacking Somali pirates' land bases; pirates vow revenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Part of it yes. We have the capability of making these things, animals do not. Civilization exists because we have the ability to make it. Human isn't defined, however, through civilization. People can live outside "civilization", they're still human.
    "Civilization" is not only physical, but a measure of the way in which we choose to live, i.e., accept cognitively that we should not always act by instinct if it brings harm to others. Much of the progress of which you speak is only possible because of those choices.

    So, if you disregard that, if you act according to base instincts and leave the rules of civilization behind, then you become animalistic.

    Obviously, you're still physically and genetically human. If anyone thought I was saying otherwise, well, that's just stupid.
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    Re: US military mulls attacking Somali pirates' land bases; pirates vow revenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    "Civilization" is not only physical, but a measure of the way in which we choose to live, i.e., accept cognitively that we should not always act by instinct if it brings harm to others. Much of the progress of which you speak is only possible because of those choices.

    So, if you disregard that, if you act according to base instincts and leave the rules of civilization behind, then you become animalistic.

    Obviously, you're still physically and genetically human. If anyone thought I was saying otherwise, well, that's just stupid.
    Social construct and morality is another aspect of human creation. A lot of the construction was in such a way as to maximize human's innate ability to think and create, the level of our advancement is possible in part because of that; it's true. People can reject that and leave that and live according to rules opposed to what society has dictated. But they are still in all senses of the word human.
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    Re: US military mulls attacking Somali pirates' land bases; pirates vow revenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    "Civilization" is not only physical, but a measure of the way in which we choose to live, i.e., accept cognitively that we should not always act by instinct if it brings harm to others. Much of the progress of which you speak is only possible because of those choices.

    So, if you disregard that, if you act according to base instincts and leave the rules of civilization behind, then you become animalistic.

    Obviously, you're still physically and genetically human. If anyone thought I was saying otherwise, well, that's just stupid.
    I would say civility is an outward manifestation of humanity, as is civilization, but it is not what makes us human.

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    Re: US military mulls attacking Somali pirates' land bases; pirates vow revenge

    Quote Originally Posted by BulletWounD View Post
    Good and evil become meaningless when you try to assign those attributes to a person instead of their actions.
    OK, first of all, I don't agree -- a person who knowingly, remorselessly, repeatedly engages in acts of evil can fairly be described as an evil person.

    That said, what I said was:

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    I can understand the motivation of all kinds of crime, even heinous ones. That makes them no less evil.
    As in, the crimes are evil.

    Please point out exactly where I "judged" you. I don't even think I've assigned judgment to your posts, let alone your person.
    Right from the very first post when you scolded me about how calling them animals "gets us nowhere." What other conclusion can one draw than that you judged my post, my conduct, as wrong?
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    Re: US military mulls attacking Somali pirates' land bases; pirates vow revenge

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    How could you possibly be sure? Their motivation is money and to them money is good and they are willing to get it at whatever cost. That doesn't make them evil.
    My response is subjective, so you can't dispute it.
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    Re: US military mulls attacking Somali pirates' land bases; pirates vow revenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Social construct and morality is another aspect of human creation. A lot of the construction was in such a way as to maximize human's innate ability to think and create, the level of our advancement is possible in part because of that; it's true. People can reject that and leave that and live according to rules opposed to what society has dictated. But they are still in all senses of the word human.
    You're splitting hairs; I largely said that.

    Then let's go about the question in another way -- the accusation that you're "dehumanizing" someone is saying that you're devaluing that person.

    Where does the special human value come in? In what sense is a human more valuable than other animals? Why is it so heinous to call a human an animal? (Because, of course, there's no question that humans are animals.)
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    Re: US military mulls attacking Somali pirates' land bases; pirates vow revenge

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    How could you possibly be sure? Their motivation is money and to them money is good and they are willing to get it at whatever cost. That doesn't make them evil.
    Then there is no evil.
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