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    Re: Man Killed While Trying to Rob Alcoholics Anonymous Meeting

    A recovering addict is not necessarily the nut case who should not be allowed to carry or possess....
    The shooter did the right thing...This will send a nessage, and deter further crimes in this area...
    The law/legal system is wrong in even thinking about charges...

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    Re: Man Killed While Trying to Rob Alcoholics Anonymous Meeting

    This is great! Maybe someone will think twice next time they are thinking about jacking a recovering addict

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    Re: Man Killed While Trying to Rob Alcoholics Anonymous Meeting

    Gee, how surprising Slippery Slope stopped posting.
    George Washington didn't use his freedom of speech to win the war with Britain... He shot them.

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    Re: Man Killed While Trying to Rob Alcoholics Anonymous Meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    You see, robberies may decrease as more people carry but by the same token you have to admit that other gun related crimes or incidents will increase.
    Show this to be true in any of the shall-issue states.

    Statistically, you are more likely to survive a robbery if you give the robber what they want than if you were to pull out a gun
    Show this to be true.

    So, will more people be shot because more people have guns handy??
    Maybe. Hos is this necessaeily a bad thing?

    My wife's friend got cut off in traffic, she flipped the woman off. The woman, with her 3 kids in the car, proceeded to chase her down, force her to the curb, got out of her car and punched my wifes friend through her open window
    Sounds like your wife's friend should have been carrying a revolver.

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    Re: Man Killed While Trying to Rob Alcoholics Anonymous Meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post

    My wife's friend got cut off in traffic, she flipped the woman off. The woman, with her 3 kids in the car, proceeded to chase her down, force her to the curb, got out of her car and punched my wifes friend through her open window, then the struggle ensued and the woman pulled MWF through the open window by her hair and when she fell to the ground began kicking her and had to be puled off by a bystander.Do you think she might have used a gun if she had one in the car with her?
    She could've rolled the window up.
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    Re: Man Killed While Trying to Rob Alcoholics Anonymous Meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    Well gee with that as your premise let's talk about how the government will one day take away our cars, and then our TVs and then...
    I was awarded a failing mark on a mid-term for answering a question about transportation rationing that included,"our cars will be taken away",..."only the rich will drive". I demand a full grade review.... The first step in limits to private transportation is in the bag,"Prices so high, that the poor,liveing in socialist America will have to walk, ride a bike, or take the bus(cabs being beyond their means)". If you haven`t had the displeasure of viewing converter box TV yet, don`t bother. While the poor do have TV sets I see a God-awful lot-more indoctrination in the government subsidized,FCC licensed, digital crap. Phase one has been launched in the no cars , no free voice of the people,(no tv), and NO GUNS, era. Weren`t those token tea parties pathetic yesterday ?

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    Re: Man Killed While Trying to Rob Alcoholics Anonymous Meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    NRA-ILA :: Firearms Registration: New York City`s Lesson
    Advocates of "gun control" desire gun prohibition, despite claiming that every "gun control" measure they support is merely a "reasonable" step that supposedly would not infringe the rights of law-abiding citizens to shoot, hunt, or protect themselves from violent crime. Anyone inclined to trust these claims would be wise to study the history of firearms registration in New York City.

    In 1967, Mayor John V. Lindsay signed into law a rifle-shotgun registration ordinance passed by the New York City Council. Under that law, every person who possessed or would later possess any rifle or shotgun in New York City had to register it by make, model and serial number, and obtain a permit to possess it. The fee was set at $3.

    City Councilman Theodore Weiss, sponsor of the bill, solemnly promised that the $3 fee would never be raised, but that the city would always bear the brunt of the real costs of administering the law. Seeking to allay firearms owners` fear of registration, the firearms-prohibitionist New York Times editorially vowed the bill "would protect the constitutional rights of owners and buyers. The purpose of registration would not be to prohibit but to control dangerous weapons."

    Interestingly, just after the bill became law, another New York Times editorial entitled "Encouraging Rifle Registration," opposed Mayor Lindsay`s proposed amendments to increase the fee to $10, or to $25 as he had originally proposed. The Times for December 16, 1967, expressed concern that "too-high license fees right off the bat would undermine effective operation of the law. The idea is to get maximum registration for the public safety."

    Notice the expression "right off the bat." What about later on? Well, today, the fee is $55, an increase of over 1,700%!

    Most significantly, just before the rifle-shotgun bill became law in 1967, Vincent L. Broderick, a former New York City police commissioner who was later awarded a federal judgeship, testified at a city council committee hearing on the bill that the philosophy underlying the bill was "all wrong." According to Broderick, that philosophy assumed that all law-abiding citizens somehow had a "right to own shotguns or rifles." Broderick then added: "There should be no right to possess a firearm of any sort in 20th Century New York City, and unless good and sufficient reason is shown by an applicant, permission to possess a gun should not be granted." This was all reported in the New York Times for October 17, 1967. How prophetic!

    In 1991, the New York City Council, at the prodding of Mayor David N. Dinkins, went further than Broderick. It passed, and the Mayor signed into law, a flat ban on the private possession of certain semi-automatic rifles and shotguns -- namely, certain imitation or look-alike assault firearms (New York City Administrative Code, Sec. 10-303.1). The ban was flat in the sense that it applied regardless of reason or need for the firearm -- and it was passed despite then-Police Commissioner Lee Brown`s testimony that no registered "assault weapon" had been used in a violent crime in the city.

    The year after the ban was enacted, a man`s home in Staten Island was raided by the police after he had announced that he would not comply with the city`s ban. He was arrested, and his guns were seized.

    The New York City Police Department (NYPD) had notified the 2,340 New Yorkers who had been licensed earlier to possess semi-automatic rifles and shotguns that any of those licensed firearms that were covered by the ban had to be surrendered, rendered inoperable or taken out of the city. The recipients of the notification were directed to send back a sworn statement indicating what had been done with those firearms.

    The NYPD has reported that the majority of these previously-registered imitation assault firearms -- 2,615 out of 3,360 -- have been taken out of the city. In addition, the department`s deputy commissioner of legal matters, Jeremy Travis, told the Daily News: "for now, the department is taking owners at their word, but spot checks are planned."
    James: I wish I were as thorough as you ,but I`m not. Anyway to the point. In just the past couple of days, a guy who failed to resister his hand gun, was locked up on "FELONY" gun possession" charges. His only crime was failure to register. Again I appologize for not noteing where this happened, But the gravity of it all is ( according to the reporter) is that gun possession can be charged as a FELONY somewhere in America.

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    Re: Man Killed While Trying to Rob Alcoholics Anonymous Meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Someone else already did.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1057991191

    England must leave the EU!
    Those are nice stats but since no study was referenced, do they tell the truth or are they simply a specious correlation? Like this:
    You may be interested to know that global warming, earthquakes, hurricanes, and other natural disasters are a direct effect of the shrinking numbers of Pirates since the 1800s. For your interest, I have included a graph of the approximate number of pirates versus the average global temperature over the last 200 years. As you can see, there is a statistically significant inverse relationship between pirates and global temperature.

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    Re: Man Killed While Trying to Rob Alcoholics Anonymous Meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    A point you refuse to acknowlege in comparing murder rates.
    No one has posted what these social and cultural differences are and how they relate to gun control. So why should I consider some nebulous correlation that no one is proving?

    Nonsense. Every state adopting shall-issue carry permits has experienced a decrease in violent crime, its a proven fact. Your point is false.
    It's obvious that you want to stay away from "gun related" crimes and only wish to talk about violent crime in a discussion about gun control and gun related crime. Why is that?

    Here let me do the same kind of "statistical" reporting.

    Bureau of Justice Statistics Violent Crime Rate Trends
    Bureau of Justice Statistics Property Crime Trends

    Our country has enacted gun laws between the years 1973 to 2006 and violent crimes have decrease.

    You lose.

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    Re: Man Killed While Trying to Rob Alcoholics Anonymous Meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    Those are nice stats but since no study was referenced, do they tell the truth or are they simply a specious correlation? Like this:
    Straw man argument.

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