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    Re: Man Killed While Trying to Rob Alcoholics Anonymous Meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by stevenb View Post
    My statement stands, gun registration in terms of governmental power.. has only ever led to confiscation.

    Please re-read what I said.
    So its never been used to help the government solve crime? And what about all those states that have had registration on the books for years and have still not confiscated them? Hell, while we're no the subject, show me those confiscation cases you're so scared about.
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    Re: Man Killed While Trying to Rob Alcoholics Anonymous Meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    So its never been used to help the government solve crime?
    How does some crime being solved by the government negate the validity of his argument?

    And what about all those states that have had registration on the books for years and have still not confiscated them?
    Which states are those, and how does the fact that they have not yet moved to confiscate those guns mean that they wont?

    Hell, while we're no the subject, show me those confiscation cases you're so scared about.
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    Re: Man Killed While Trying to Rob Alcoholics Anonymous Meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    This really says it all -- 'people shoud be allowed to own guns, but with all kinds of restrictions'.

    This IS an anti-gun position, in that it ignores the protections afforded to the right to arms by the 2nd amendment.

    What is your interpretation of 'shall not be infringed', and how do the restrictions you support not fall within that interpretation?
    How is having to register the serial code and ballistic fingerprint infringing on your right? How is making sure you need to know how to use a gun infringing on your right? No one's saying you can't own a gun, you just need to know what the heck you're doing with it.

    And I've always believed that we have to look at the entire amendment: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. "

    We can't just ignore the first part of that, that the rule specifically applies to "well regulated militia[s]". I believe that the point of the amendment is to make sure that the militias were well-armed and effective.
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    Re: Man Killed While Trying to Rob Alcoholics Anonymous Meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by StandUpChuck View Post
    One group you don't want to mess with is a room full of recovering addicts. Cripes, the 2nd hand smoke alone would kill the theif.
    Second hand smoke doesn't kill anyone.

    NEW, ENORMOUS STUDY UNMASKS THE ANTISMOKING FRAUD: Environmental tobacco smoke and tobacco related mortality in a prospective study of Californians, 1960-98 - May 19th, 2003 - "The results do not support a causal relation between environmental tobacco smoke and tobacco related mortality, although they do not rule out a small effect. The association between exposure to environmental tobacco smoke and coronary heart disease and lung cancer may be considerably weaker than generally believed."

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    Re: Man Killed While Trying to Rob Alcoholics Anonymous Meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    How does some crime being solved by the government negate the validity of his argument?
    He said that the only thing registration has been used for is confiscation, I'm simply showing he's wrong, that its been used for other things.

    Which states are those, and how does the fact that they have not yet moved to confiscate those guns mean that they wont?
    They might invite everyone who owns a gun in for tea and cookies. "But the MIGHT do something" is a silly argument.

    As I understood the law, the government was letting people sell their guns to the government voluntarily, correct me if I'm wrong. If that's the case, that definately wouldn't be illegal, since its voluntary.
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    Re: Man Killed While Trying to Rob Alcoholics Anonymous Meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    I'm just saying that it surprises me who is advocating this. One would think that it would be some kind of idiotic anti-gun organization and not the LA county sheriff's office.
    I personally think these programs are great because they mostly target the poor and desperate populace that are most likely to use a gun irresponsibly anyway. Likewise they also target houses where perhaps there use to be someone who owned and took care of and responsibility for a gun but that person is now gone and the remaining folks in the home don't want the gun - which probably means it's unlikely to be looked after properly anyway.

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    Re: Man Killed While Trying to Rob Alcoholics Anonymous Meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Maybe not in the US right now but I've lived in Britain and Australia, I've seen where the anti-gun path can lead.

    It has got to point in both those countries where the pro-gun people, the pro-constitution(ie the bill of rights.) in Britain, are a very small minority all because the anti-gun policies, the stare and the anti-gun mentality gained ground.
    What's the gun related death toll in your country?
    Now compare that to the USA.

    Thank you.

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    Re: Man Killed While Trying to Rob Alcoholics Anonymous Meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    I personally think these programs are great because they mostly target the poor and desperate populace that are most likely to use a gun irresponsibly anyway. Likewise they also target houses where perhaps there use to be someone who owned and took care of and responsibility for a gun but that person is now gone and the remaining folks in the home don't want the gun - which probably means it's unlikely to be looked after properly anyway.
    Really? Why don't you look up the last 10, "guys walks in and opens fire" shootings and see if the shooter was poor.

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    Re: Man Killed While Trying to Rob Alcoholics Anonymous Meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    What's the gun related death toll in your country?
    Now compare that to the USA.

    Thank you.

    That would leave out cultural factors and relative population.

    Instead, let's look at all violent crime before the UK instituted strict gun control, and all violent crime after. While we're doing that, lets not forget that there have been a number of scandals about police departments and gov't bureaus in the UK under-reporting crime to make themselves look better.

    Then we can look at some studies about how often guns are used in the USA to stop a crime; for example the CNN study that put defensive firearm uses in America at the better part of a million per year.


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    Re: Man Killed While Trying to Rob Alcoholics Anonymous Meeting

    I can't wait to find out that this guy was actually a guard for the building or something... remember the church shooting that turned out to be a hired guard instead of the "average citizen who happened to be at church with her gun".

    First let me remind the lynch mob that I am a gun owner and gun advocate.
    Most gun related robberies do not end in the robber shooting someone. The guy was probably an out of work republican who probably would have gotten caught by the cops if he'd been allowed to flee with the paulty sum he would have gotten from this robbery. I mean, he's robbing an AA meeting so he's obviously not thought out his plan to begin with. Now he is dead. If it was a bank robbery I'd be less sympathetic but the guy was robbing an AA meeting.

    Regardless, the shooter had a permit to carry. I wonder if he had to go through the whole registration process to get it.

    Someone said regulation ends in taking away our right to carry. Hyperbole and fantasy. Our history proves we will not go the route of England and remove all guns from the hands of private citizens. Gin up some more fear mongering why don't you... after all, it's all you've got.

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