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Thread: Man Killed While Trying to Rob Alcoholics Anonymous Meeting

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    Re: Man Killed While Trying to Rob Alcoholics Anonymous Meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post


    You rejecting other people's legitimate sources out of hand, how interesting. It was in a reputable magazine, unless you have evidence to the conrtrary there is no reason to reject them.

    I've seen studies and the same stats in many places including the BBC.

    British Crime Statistics: 1997-2002 - Crime, UK - The Independent

    FIREARMS

    Position in 1997: The use of firearms in crime rose during the 1980s and early 1990s, peaking in 1993, after which it began to fall. By 1997-98 it had dropped to the same level as 1990.

    What has Labour done? Faced with frightening levels of gun crime, the Home Secretary has announced five-year jail terms for gun possession and a ban on carrying replica weapons.

    Position in 2002: Gun crime offences have risen sharply during the past two years, climbing by 35 per cent last year to a record high of 9,974 offences.

    Verdict: A major failure. The annual rise in gun crime was the fourth in succession and ministers are only just realising the havoc being caused by drug wars.


    International Gun Control symposium

    As Britain has moved a long way towards prohibition, the gun crime rate in Britain has skyrocketed.

    Do you have anything to actually add or are you simply being cranky and pointless because things haven't gone your way? Again.
    Reputable magazine? Reputable to whom? Again I say, nothing in that link gave a direct correlation, which would be in january of 1973 this law was enacted and in 1974 the rate was this... I showed you a graph that crime has been decreasing while gun laws are getting more strict but you don't seem to want to comment on that.

    Not to mention that like you and Stevenb ignore cultural and societal differences that could come into play for your position while attempting to admonish me for not taking into account social and cultural differences...

    Not to mention that since you are not a citizen of my country and I could really give ****-all about what you think of our laws.

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    Re: Man Killed While Trying to Rob Alcoholics Anonymous Meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Robber flies after CVS pharmacist opens fire.

    LiveLeak.com - Robber gets surprise when pharmacist opens fire

    Too bad he got away with some money. I saw that everyone be issued a gun when they are born. Then no one will rob anyone.
    THE PHARMACIST FIRE 3 SHOTS AT THE ROBBER AND DIDN'T HIT THE HIM. now where did those bullets go? Good thing it wasn't crowded eh? So let's review, a robber came in got money, got shot at and ran off with the money. Take out the - got shot at - and the story remains the same. How badly could this have gone? Well let's suppose the robber decided to fire back. Maybe the robber misses too or maybe he shots the dumbass pharmacist, killing him. Would you still have used this story had that happened? It helps if you actually think about what you want to present as evidence for your case and then think about what your opponent might say. Chances are you wouldn't have posted this video.

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    Re: Man Killed While Trying to Rob Alcoholics Anonymous Meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Thats your job. Get busy.
    It's not important enough for me to do that kind of work to satisfy you so... too bad.

    Ah.. Can't support your position, eh? Color me surprised.
    Prove that you are more likely to survive a robbery if you give the robber what they want than if you were to pull out a gun, or admit you cannot.
    If you jump out of a plane, you will fall to the ground. Do I have to provide statistical evidence? It's a well known and quite old axiom which would require more work than necessary.

    How is this necessarily so?
    Is killing your assailant the ONLY way to use a gun to effectively defend yourself?
    Could be more obtuse in this post? I don't know why I am even responding to you when your post is nothing more than a series of questions that don't need answers.

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    Re: Man Killed While Trying to Rob Alcoholics Anonymous Meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Doesnt change the fact that she could have rolled the window up.
    It also doesnt change the fact that simply producing a firearm would have almost certainly caused her assailant to back off.
    She could have driven her car into a store front too, that would have stopped her assailant. BUT SHE DIDN'T.

    Great, here's your real scenario. Both women have guns with them and there is a shoot out with children and bystanders within range of stray bullets. Didn't we just have video of John Wayne popping a a few caps off in a CVS and missing the other guy with a gun?

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    Re: Man Killed While Trying to Rob Alcoholics Anonymous Meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    She could have driven her car into a store front too, that would have stopped her assailant. BUT SHE DIDN'T.

    Great, here's your real scenario. Both women have guns with them and there is a shoot out with children and bystanders within range of stray bullets. Didn't we just have video of John Wayne popping a a few caps off in a CVS and missing the other guy with a gun?
    Sweet! The wild west theory.

    You know, they used the same argument you're presenting now when AZ was considering becoming a shall-issue CCW state.

    Funny, w/ 10s of thousands of CCW and open carrying citizens in this state we don't have shootouts every day on the freeway!

    I'm surprised with all those gun wielding maniacs out there that we're not like a modern day mogadishu!
    George Washington didn't use his freedom of speech to win the war with Britain... He shot them.

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    Re: Man Killed While Trying to Rob Alcoholics Anonymous Meeting

    Arguing with Slippery Soap is clearly pointless. He is immune to facts, ignores proof, and thinks his unsupported opinion is more significant that a stack of statistics.

    Everything that needs to be proven about the pro-gun position has been proven in this thread... to anyone reading with anything like an open mind; any slightest appreciation of fact.

    Slippery declines to do the research to support his position with anything but opinion. Fine, he lost. End of debate. It's supper time, bye now.

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    Re: Man Killed While Trying to Rob Alcoholics Anonymous Meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by stevenb View Post
    But you NEVER KNOW!!! Ah.. the hyperbolic argument that all people produce when they're in a corner they can't fight their way out of.
    are you going to take that stupidity back or do I have to create a post with all the "what ifs" you've farted up in this thread alone?

    We've basically been going in circles with this person.. "prove it.." "here" "That's not proof, prove it." "here" "that's not proof either.".
    Funny I thought your position was all about "it could happen because something similar happened somewhere in the worlds history". Oh that and you want to constantly point to the few CCW holders as how the rest of society will behave when everyone has a weapon. Do you know why the Earps in Tombstone AZ. outlawed carrying firearms inside the city limits? When you find out come back. Then you can present your case for what a slippery slope gun control is and that it's the precursor to all out gun bans and confiscations... it's been more than 120 years since then and we still have guns... wadda ya know. CASE CLOSED.

    We've manage to draw out a argument over multiple pages, cause this person is either ignorant, or completely and utterly dishonest.
    Yup that's you.

    I'm done until he can introduce something other than "I think there will be more violence if there is more guns!" or until he actually refutes my point of guns historically being confiscated after registration.
    I think I just effectively did that.

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    Re: Man Killed While Trying to Rob Alcoholics Anonymous Meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Seems like our government used to be all about the things that helped us. Guns. Hemp. But now they try to make them go away. Back when they first banned hemp they first tricked the farmers here in America by making them get it weighed and government stamped. But then they just seized it all.
    The government does a lot of thing it shouldn't at the behest of corporations. Guns haven't been banned or taken away. Hemp was banned so that some powerful industries could profit. Get your facts straight.

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    Re: Man Killed While Trying to Rob Alcoholics Anonymous Meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Yes. Its rather common among the anti-gun crowd.

    I love some of the ideas they have:
    -The only way to use a gun is to kill something with it.
    -The only way to use a gun to defend yourself is to kill someone.
    -An 'assault weapon' is not capable of firing single shots
    -'Assault weapon' and assault rifle are interchangeable terms
    -'Aassault weapons' are far more powerful than 'standard' weapons.
    -'Assault weapons' are necessarily inaccurate and only suitable for 'spray fire'
    -Penetrating body armor is a herculean task
    -A polceman is necessarily far better trained, far more competent, has far better judgement and is more emotionally stable than an ordinary citizen

    Hmm. This might make a good poll!
    Question for the anti-gun crowd: Which of these things are true?
    That is truely a dumb post. Even for you.

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    Re: Man Killed While Trying to Rob Alcoholics Anonymous Meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Arguing with Slippery Soap is clearly pointless. He is immune to facts, ignores proof, and thinks his unsupported opinion is more significant that a stack of statistics.

    Everything that needs to be proven about the pro-gun position has been proven in this thread... to anyone reading with anything like an open mind; any slightest appreciation of fact.

    Slippery declines to do the research to support his position with anything but opinion. Fine, he lost. End of debate. It's supper time, bye now.

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