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    Re: Man Killed While Trying to Rob Alcoholics Anonymous Meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by stevenb View Post
    History has proven that registration leads to confiscation. I don't care if other nations are different, registration of firearms has led to their confiscation.
    That's right, you don't care. Because if you did, you couldn't make your argument. History in the USA does not indicate such.

    Your point was meant to ditract, cars, tv, and other luxuries are not guaranteed to not be infringed upon by the constitution like firearms are. Please try again.
    OK, but if the right to own guns is guaranteed then why do you keep claiming the right will be taken away? You have no evidence of this. You may have some isolated incidents due to circumstance but that's all.

    History repeats itself for those who don't learn from past lessons... I believe germany was a representitive republic before Hitler got elected... Funny how that works out eh?
    Germany huh... HILTER, THE NAZIS!!! and yet you accuse me of attempted distraction?
    Right, so you were speaking of law-abiding citizens who are permitted to own firearms in the ghetto, right?
    So you'd like to adjust your argument now?

    As far as your last statement, I don't give a flying **** what you think I should do presented with someone robbing me. My decision is my own, and of noone else's power to make for me. If I'm confronted by a robber and believe that my shooting them will end the situation, I will shoot them. It's MY CHOICE.
    Getting acrimonious won't help your argument.
    Where did I say this is what you should do? I believe I simply stated a fact. Your attempted strawman burned.

    For your second story, if your wife's friend had been armed in the State of Arizona she'd have been legally allowed to shoot the woman who physically assaulted her. Ending the whole situation, and removing one less desireable from the gene pool.
    In Arizona eh? Well, the other 49 states should do it then because Arizona is the nations leader in smart policy...
    Not to mention that you misunderstood my question. Do you think the woman who brutally attacked my wife's friend would have used a gun if she'd had one handy? Obviously she is prone to violent outbursts and her vicinity to her children and onlookers didn't seem to deter her from extreme violent behavior.

    What's funny, I had a similar situation happen.. mozying along on the freeway I notice some road rage going down... guy in a truck is abusing the hell out of some kids in a toyota corolla... Guy in the truck STOPS in the middle of the freeway cutting them off and bring them to a stop.. I almost run into both of them... then another truck almost runs into us. So we're all sitting here in the middle of the freeway at a dead stop.. and this guy gets out of his truck and approaches the toyota corolla with a club of sorts. I get out of my vehicle and draw my weapon. Guy sees me and my pistol, gets back into his truck and takes off. I hop back into my car, call 911 telling them what happened and follow him till DPS pulls him over / arrests him.

    I didn't have to shoot the guy, but I would have.. and I would have been legally justified given the situation of the guy attacking them with a weapon. I simply had to show him that someone else was there that wasn't going to let it happen. Once again proving that firearms used in a responsible manner can prevent crime. But, you and your gun control friends won't acknowledge that kind of **** happens.. cause it's inconvenient... the truth is.
    Another strawman... actually I acknowledged that an armed citizenry may well be a factor in decreasing crime. But the caveat I posted was that other gun related incidents will rise. Another strawman in flames!

    Not to mention that you have no way of knowing whether it was your gun or your presence as a witness that deterred this guy. You certainly could draw my conclusion as easily as yours, especially since you clearly stated "I didn't have to shoot the guy, but I would have.. and I would have been legally justified given the situation of the guy attacking them with a weapon. I simply had to show him that someone else was there that wasn't going to let it happen." Let's hear the recording of the police interview where the guy tells us why he didn't attack them...

    I'm not even sure if you would have been legally justified since you weren't being attacked and the attacker didn't have a gun... what's the law in your particular state?

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    Re: Man Killed While Trying to Rob Alcoholics Anonymous Meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by stevenb View Post
    Gee, how surprising Slippery Slope stopped posting.
    A little anxious to argue aren't we? I'm sorry that I have other things to do than sit 24/7 and wait to respond to your posts... actually, no I'm not.

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    Re: Man Killed While Trying to Rob Alcoholics Anonymous Meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post

    Another strawman... actually I acknowledged that an armed citizenry may well be a factor in decreasing crime. But the caveat I posted was that other gun related incidents will rise. Another strawman in flames!
    Yes, your own. As I mentioned, all shall-issue CCW states experienced a decrease in violent crime. The rate at which CCW holders commit weapons-related crimes is so low as to be nearly zero.

    Not to mention that you have no way of knowing whether it was your gun or your presence as a witness that deterred this guy. You certainly could draw my conclusion as easily as yours, especially since you clearly stated "I didn't have to shoot the guy, but I would have.. and I would have been legally justified given the situation of the guy attacking them with a weapon. I simply had to show him that someone else was there that wasn't going to let it happen." Let's hear the recording of the police interview where the guy tells us why he didn't attack them...

    I'm not even sure if you would have been legally justified since you weren't being attacked and the attacker didn't have a gun... what's the law in your particular state?
    In most states, a club is considered a deadly weapon. In many states, a person is allowed to come to the defense of a third party. Some states use the "Good samaritan/good faith" clause in such cases, others use the "alter-ego" method. In either case there's good odds he would have been held justified given the facts as presented, in most states were self-defense laws are reasonable.

    BTW, to answer another comment:

    Luke 22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take [it], and likewise [his] scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.


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    Re: Man Killed While Trying to Rob Alcoholics Anonymous Meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Show this to be true in any of the shall-issue states.
    OK, I'll look into it... list those states.

    Show this to be true.
    I will not indulge you on an axiom.


    Maybe. Hos is this necessaeily a bad thing?
    Some will be innocent people.


    Sounds like your wife's friend should have been carrying a revolver.
    Then we'd have 3 motherless children and a dead woman who probably only needed some anger management counseling. Try thinking before posting, it helps.

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    Re: Man Killed While Trying to Rob Alcoholics Anonymous Meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by GottaHurt View Post
    She could've rolled the window up.
    I'm sure she figured it would be a shouting match and not a violent assault by a woman with kids and bystanders.

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    Re: Man Killed While Trying to Rob Alcoholics Anonymous Meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by Rodney View Post
    I was awarded a failing mark on a mid-term for answering a question about transportation rationing that included,"our cars will be taken away",..."only the rich will drive". I demand a full grade review.... The first step in limits to private transportation is in the bag,"Prices so high, that the poor,liveing in socialist America will have to walk, ride a bike, or take the bus(cabs being beyond their means)". If you haven`t had the displeasure of viewing converter box TV yet, don`t bother. While the poor do have TV sets I see a God-awful lot-more indoctrination in the government subsidized,FCC licensed, digital crap. Phase one has been launched in the no cars , no free voice of the people,(no tv), and NO GUNS, era. Weren`t those token tea parties pathetic yesterday ?
    WTF are you raving about? Converter boxes? They are basically free if you can't afford it, not that you can't buy a cable ready TV for about 25 bucks. If you can't afford that here in socialist America then you should get a job instead of watching TV. And to conclude my conservative approach to your rant... there's always radio and newspapers.

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    Re: Man Killed While Trying to Rob Alcoholics Anonymous Meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by Rodney View Post
    James: I wish I were as thorough as you ,but I`m not. Anyway to the point. In just the past couple of days, a guy who failed to resister his hand gun, was locked up on "FELONY" gun possession" charges. His only crime was failure to register. Again I appologize for not noteing where this happened, But the gravity of it all is ( according to the reporter) is that gun possession can be charged as a FELONY somewhere in America.
    Just the other day a clinically insane person bought an assault rifle... I appologize for not noting where this happened.

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    Re: Man Killed While Trying to Rob Alcoholics Anonymous Meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    OK, I'll look into it... list those states.
    It would be easier to list the states that do NOT have shall-issue carry permits. I think the list of those that do is up to about 40. None of them have experienced the sort of "wild west shoot-em up" stuff you've speculated on.



    Some will be innocent people.
    The last time I checked, concealed-carry permit holders had a better record than police about not shooting the wrong/innocent person. I'll see if I can find recent stats.



    Then we'd have 3 motherless children and a dead woman who probably only needed some anger management counseling. Try thinking before posting, it helps.
    Not necessarily. Many studies have concluded that in nearly 99% of cases, the presentation of a firearm by an armed citizen ended an assault/etc without a shot fired.

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    Re: Man Killed While Trying to Rob Alcoholics Anonymous Meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Straw man argument.
    Clearly, you need to look up what a strawman argument it. I gave you some nice examples...

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    Re: Man Killed While Trying to Rob Alcoholics Anonymous Meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    Clearly, you need to look up what a strawman argument it. I gave you some nice examples...
    Indeed you did, virtually your entire position.

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