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    Re: Cybersecurity Act would give president power to 'shut down' Internet

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    How do you 'shut down' the internet?
    Install Windows on the servers.
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    Re: Cybersecurity Act would give president power to 'shut down' Internet

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    How do you 'shut down' the internet?
    There was a South Park episode that held the answers, I believe.
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    Re: Cybersecurity Act would give president power to 'shut down' Internet

    I found this post on a technology forum. I'll reproduce it here for your viewing pleasure.

    "shut down the tubes" meaning what, exactly? a router? all routers? core or edge or both? BGP sessions? exchange points? private or public?

    what I'm driving at here is that the fundamental nature of the Internet, its very definition, is a number of independent networks agreeing to exchange traffic in a decentralized manner. Even shutting down a single large provider (e.g. MCI/UUNet/Verizon/AS701) is an nonsensical statement - what specifically are you shutting down? There are thousands of routers, peering connections, internal interconnects, hand-offs to smaller providers who in turn interconnect and hand off to still smaller providers ... the architecture very much resembles a fractal for the larger providers.

    Now multiply that complexity by a dozen and you've covered probably 90% of the carriers in the US ... but wait, some of these aren't US based carriers! We have quite a few carriers with circuits or presence in the US where the organization is legally located elsewhere. What do you do then?

    Telling AT&T to shut down (assuming you can even define that; let's say you mean disconnect from every other provider they peer with, and shutting down their tens of thousands of client connections) would cause damage, but would do little more than isolate AT&T from the rest of the world.

    This legislation is an incredibly bad idea for a number of reasons, but the risk it poses to the availability of the Internet as a whole is not one of them.
    Just another case of the pre-internet generation pretending they understand the internet... Nothing to see here. Move along.

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    Re: Cybersecurity Act would give president power to 'shut down' Internet

    I swear to God, hell hath no fury like college students who cannot log onto Facebook to upload pictures from last-night's wet t-shirt contest.
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    Re: Cybersecurity Act would give president power to 'shut down' Internet

    Shutting down the intertubes isn't nearly as hard as you guys think.

    First would go the intercontinental links... severing us from the outside world.

    Second would come the interstate links... ie: shutting down key routers in the country... This wouldn't last long as secondary routers would step up and start doing the work...

    But if you could make a company turn it's fiber off... you could shut down internet for areas of people, pretty easily.
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    Re: Cybersecurity Act would give president power to 'shut down' Internet

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    I swear to God, hell hath no fury like college students who cannot log onto Facebook to upload pictures from last-night's wet t-shirt contest.
    Oh, hell knows a much greater fury than that. It's the fury of the gamer when they can't connect to their WoW realm.
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    Re: Cybersecurity Act would give president power to 'shut down' Internet

    Quote Originally Posted by stevenb View Post
    Shutting down the intertubes isn't nearly as hard as you guys think.

    First would go the intercontinental links... severing us from the outside world.

    Second would come the interstate links... ie: shutting down key routers in the country... This wouldn't last long as secondary routers would step up and start doing the work...

    But if you could make a company turn it's fiber off... you could shut down internet for areas of people, pretty easily.
    What would be the point of all of this? Now the internet becomes badly crippled, if not worthless. The president has just done the job for the attacker. Good job Mr. President!

    It's kinda like how if a server is under a heavy DDoS attack, the admin will shut it down. Either way, it's a win for the attacker.

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    Re: Cybersecurity Act would give president power to 'shut down' Internet



    Good luck trying to "shut it down," a-holes.

    Vital links for your privacy:

    Tor: anonymity online - Thwarts network analysis. (prevents them from "connecting the dots").

    The GNU Privacy Guard - GnuPG.org - Used for encrypting e-mails.

    Off-the-Record Messaging - Used for encrypting IM's

    The Freenet Project - /index - Decentralized network used for sharing data anonymously

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    Re: Cybersecurity Act would give president power to 'shut down' Internet

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    Good luck trying to "shut it down," a-holes.

    Vital links for your privacy:

    Tor: anonymity online - Thwarts network analysis. (prevents them from "connecting the dots").

    The GNU Privacy Guard - GnuPG.org - Used for encrypting e-mails.

    Off-the-Record Messaging - Used for encrypting IM's

    The Freenet Project - /index - Decentralized network used for sharing data anonymously
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    Re: Cybersecurity Act would give president power to 'shut down' Internet

    This is so easy to counter. Especially with democrats in power.

    In order to get Democrats to not do something, you have to convince them there will be victims. Particularly "the poor".

    Now, all we need to do, is get a petition started by people who have switched to internet phone service via their cable internet provider, or Vanoage, or MagicJack, etc....
    If the government shuts off the internet, it will create a whole group of victims who will be without phone service. Most of these people will be the ones who switched to the internet phone services to save money because they aren't rich and powerful. No phone services, means little children die because nobody can call 911 or another emergency service.
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