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American captain rescued, pirates killed, U.S. official says

WillRockwell said:
Let me type this in caps so even you can understand it
THERE IS NO SOMALI GOVERNMENT
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But there is a Somali Government and all the desperate denial and hyperbole doesn't make your nonsensical desperate arguments to the contrary any more coherent.
 
Your desperate attempt to label everything as terrorism is plain for many to see here. I addressed all your "substance". You NEVER addressed anything I wrote. All you did was insult and dismiss and dodge. That's it. Nothing more. Piss poor "debating" at best. You couldn't even combat the FACT that the pirates weren't using fear to get their way, they were holding a hostage. While the hostage would rightfully be terrified, it can't be said to be an act of terrorism as the terror was never a tool for the job.

But whatever, keep dismissing and dodging and writing nothing.

Though you are right on your argument being hysterics.
 
Ikari said:
Your desperate attempt to label everything as terrorism is plain for many to see here. I addressed all your "substance". You NEVER addressed anything I wrote. All you did was insult and dismiss and dodge. That's it. Nothing more. Piss poor "debating" at best. You couldn't even combat the FACT that the pirates weren't using fear to get their way, they were holding a hostage. While the hostage would rightfully be terrified, it can't be said to be an act of terrorism as the terror was never a tool for the job.

But whatever, keep dismissing and dodging and writing nothing.

Though you are right on your argument being hysterics.
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Can we all agree its (pirating) is an act worthy of having your life taken from you?
 
cherokee said:
Can we all agree its (pirating) is an act worthy of having your life taken from you?
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Absolutely. And cheers to the US Navy for kicking total ass as always.
 
cherokee said:
Can we all agree its (pirating) is an act worthy of having your life taken from you?
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Mostly I would agree. What these pirates did for sure. All I'm saying is that they weren't terrorists, not that they didn't get what was coming to them. Been better if you could resolve it without loss of life, but they directly threatened the life of the captain and that's that.
 
Ikari said:
Your desperate attempt to label everything as terrorism is plain for many to see here. I addressed all your "substance". You NEVER addressed anything I wrote. All you did was insult and dismiss and dodge. That's it. Nothing more. Piss poor "debating" at best. You couldn't even combat the FACT that the pirates weren't using fear to get their way, they were holding a hostage. While the hostage would rightfully be terrified, it can't be said to be an act of terrorism as the terror was never a tool for the job.

But whatever, keep dismissing and dodging and writing nothing.

Though you are right on your argument being hysterics.
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The only one desperately attempting to label EVERYTHING as terrorism has been you.

How ironic when you desperately attempt to project that onto others. The only one who has been personally insulted on this thread has been me.

Carry on; your selective outrage, projection and desperate dramatic hysterics have been noted once again. :roll:
 
Truth Detector said:
The only one desperately attempting to label EVERYTHING as terrorism has been you.

How ironic when you desperately attempt to project that onto others. The only one who has been personally insulted on this thread has been me.

Carry on; your selective outrage, projection and desperate dramatic hysterics have been noted once again. :roll:
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Um...if you recall you are the one who got upset that people were referring to them as pirates and not terrorists. In fact, you have mentioned that you think it's a vast conspiracy and have yet to provide any proof for these assertions.
 
Truth Detector said:
The only one desperately attempting to label EVERYTHING as terrorism has been you.

How ironic when you desperately attempt to project that onto others. The only one who has been personally insulted on this thread has been me.

Carry on; your selective outrage, projection and desperate dramatic hysterics have been noted once again. :roll:
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Holy ****, I really didn't think your reading skills were so poor. Go read what I said. I used YOUR argument when defining all those non-terrorists as terrorists. That was YOUR logic, YOUR argument taken to the natural conclusions. MY argument is that it's an aggregate effect, that the pirates, the boy, the mugger all can not be called terrorists. That instead terrorism is something much larger, and much more aggregate than what YOU were calling it.

For the love of all that is holy, learn to read please.

Again, YOUR argument mugger=terrorist, MY argument mugger=individual crime.
 
Truth Detector said:
So now we move from trite to personal insulting and hyperbole; bravo Captain, you're batting 1,000 for trolling.

The last time I looked, we were on a debate politics forum, not someone's party.

Carry on; I look forward to more of your simplistic baseless personal insults in an effort to avoid any substantive debate.
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You can't be serious. You throw the first jab out at me and then get your panties in a knot when I humorously respond in kind? :roll:

Go back under your bridge troll. Your tactics don't work with me.

It's a lovely day in MY neighborhood.










(Now THAT was a wasted two minutes of my life I will NEVER get back. :()
 
celticlord said:
Of course I can threaten the elders. In fact, they need to be threatened. They are, after all, the ones getting the richest off piracy. As for starting a war....they've declared war on international shipping, in case you haven't noticed. The "war" is already started. What we need to do is finish that war.

Can't threaten the elders? Nonsense. They can be threatened. They need to be threatened. Find a threat that makes their blood run cold and use it.
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And its your lack of knowledge and understanding of the Somali culture which runs along US and European Governments which renders it pathetic in dealing with Somalia and it's issues.

:bs

The Elders recieve no money from pirating so to accuse them of it with no proof is beyond disgusting.
The elder of my clan does not profit from pirating and neither does the dozens of others.
Oh please, a few ships taken = war? How melodramatic.

Oh and as for killing our elders. US would have just opened the door to Al Qaeda because our elders influence is the only thing that prevents them from Somalia - Helping the terrorists again i see. US's only accomplishments in the Muslim world :roll:
 
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Laila said:
The Elders recieve no money from pirating so to accuse them of it with no proof is beyond disgusting.
The elder of my clan does not profit from pirating and neither does the dozens of others.
Oh please, a few ships taken = war? Oh how melodramatic.
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Hmm....so these sainted elders have nothing to do with the piracy, gain no benefit from the piracy, but are somehow the people empowered to actually tell the pirates to stop. Yeah, this is making a lot of sense.:roll:

If the elders have no power over the pirates then they should not be stepping up to negotiate on their behalf. If they do have power over the pirates then they need to catch a clue and tell the pirates to cease and desist.

They're part and parcel of the piracy problem, which means they deserve ZERO respect.

Laila said:
Oh and as for killing our elders. US would have just opened the door to Al Qaeda because our elders influence is the only thing that prevents them from Somalia - Helping the terrorists again i see. US's only accomplishments in the Muslim world :roll:
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That would be the same elders that wanted the pirates holding Captain Phillips to not be captured and/or killed, correct? The same elders that with a straight face suggested the pirates simply be allowed to go their merry way?

The elders are in bed with the pirates and deserve the same fate as the pirates. If they want their culture to survive into the next generation, they'll find a way to persuade the pirates that piracy is not such a grand idea.
 
celticlord said:
Hmm....so these sainted elders have nothing to do with the piracy, gain no benefit from the piracy, but are somehow the people empowered to actually tell the pirates to stop. Yeah, this is making a lot of sense.:roll:
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Of course it wouldn't make sense to an American or a Westerner.

The West, especially in US are so obsessed with individuality, they cannot comprehend other systems where individuality takes a backseat to community.
Somalis have a tribal/clan system and has been part of East Africa for hundreds if not a thousand years. Each clan has a elder that represents and leads it, we defer to our leader and when something is done. The Elders are the ones with the authority to sort it.

Inside Somalia over the last 24 years of Anarchy and even in Somaliland where we have 'democracy'. Our Elders are the most important feature.
Even in Somaliland where we have elections, if something goes wrong. We don't turn to our politicans, we turn to the elders so they can mediate the problem and sort it

If they do have power over the pirates then they need to catch a clue and tell the pirates to cease and desist.

They're part and parcel of the piracy problem, which means they deserve ZERO respect.
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To Americans they deserve no respect, No wonder US failed in Somalia if they lack the understanding of a countries culture and treat it like ****.
And that is why piracy will never stop, they'd shun the only people able to stop it.
Elders command influence over the locals who are the ones who welcome piracy.


That would be the same elders that wanted the pirates holding Captain Phillips to not be captured and/or killed, correct? The same elders that with a straight face suggested the pirates simply be allowed to go their merry way?
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Link? :confused:

The elders are in bed with the pirates and deserve the same fate as the pirates.
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Half of me wishes US does kill our elders just so when Al Qaeda has control over Somali waters and the shipping waters i can say 'I told you so' but unfortunately, i like my country and don't want the west destroying it ...
 
Laila said:
Elders command influence over the locals who are the ones who welcome piracy.
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So let them use their influence to command the locals to not welcome piracy. Otherwise let them go to hell along with the pirates.
 
celticlord said:
So let them use their influence to command the locals to not welcome piracy. Otherwise let them go to hell along with the pirates.
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Or else what?
US does not have no right to dictate to our elders. They are superior in Somalia. Ask politely and wait and see
 
Moderator's Warning:
Really don't wanna shut down this interesting and informative thread.

Keep it civil please.

You know who you are - there are multiple folks - stop the personal banter else we will be forced to start doling out points.


(sorry so late)
 
Threads a wonderful example of how the "world" reacts to these thing.
Spend more time arguing nuances in language and legalistic BS then doing anything.
Which is exactly the end goal..doing nothing.

USA under Obama talks big but carries a toothpick ..and everyone knows it.
 
Triad said:
Threads a wonderful example of how the "world" reacts to these thing.
Spend more time arguing nuances in language and legalistic BS then doing anything.
Which is exactly the end goal..doing nothing.

USA under Obama talks big but carries a toothpick ..and everyone knows it.
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Tell that to the guys that just had their heads blown off from a US missile boat.
 
Captain America said:
You can't be serious. You throw the first jab out at me and then get your panties in a knot when I humorously respond in kind? :roll:

Go back under your bridge troll. Your tactics don't work with me.
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Oh gosh, please don't cry; how foolish of me to think that your clown like attempt was just an effort at honest debate and not one trying to turn the thread into the typical DP bait and troll circus filled with nonsensical one liners.

Good lord, man up already and stop your whining.
 
BulletWounD said:
Tell that to the guys that just had their heads blown off from a US missile boat.
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Oh yeah, we are walking tall now aren't we. That big bad Obama is talking tough now. I bet despots, thugs, terrorists, dictators and, lest we not forget the dear pirates, are all quaking in their booties.

Oh wait, they are cheering that Obama won! Never mind, I keep forgetting this is not about substance, this is about drama and hysterics.
 
Triad said:
Threads a wonderful example of how the "world" reacts to these thing.
Spend more time arguing nuances in language and legalistic BS then doing anything.
Which is exactly the end goal..doing nothing.

USA under Obama talks big but carries a toothpick ..and everyone knows it.
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I can think of three dead pirates that might disagree with you, (if they only could. :mrgreen: )
 
BulletWounD said:
Tell that to the guys that just had their heads blown off from a US missile boat.
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Exactly. I can't understand how anyone would try to characterize the actions of the US Navy in this instance as anything but badass.
 
I have to give a nod to Obama for allowing our Seals to take the bastards out.


Nice shot man.
 
dclxvinoise said:
Exactly. I can't understand how anyone would try to characterize the actions of the US Navy in this instance as anything but badass.
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Even with my soft spot for the pirates I agree. ;) I was thinking there was a good chance we would just refuse to pay the ransom and forgo any rescue attempt which would have sucked for the hostages family and horribly disappointed me. The fact that we were able to get him back was badass.
 
talloulou said:
Even with my soft spot for the pirates I agree. ;) I was thinking there was a good chance we would just refuse to pay the ransom and forgo any rescue attempt which would have sucked for the hostages family and horribly disappointed me.
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Not a chance...

The fact that we were able to get him back was badass.
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Definitely. Again, I would have preferred that everybody walk away alive, but the use of force was definitely justified.
 
talloulou said:
Even with my soft spot for the pirates I agree. ;) I was thinking there was a good chance we would just refuse to pay the ransom and forgo any rescue attempt which would have sucked for the hostages family and horribly disappointed me. The fact that we were able to get him back was badass.
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Even if we had paid the ransom all we would have to do is follow to them secretly to some uninhabited island and wait for them to bury it. Pirates are just so predictable.
 
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