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    Re: American captain rescued, pirates killed, U.S. official says

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    If he did order it, then he deserves praise.

    If, as has been his wont in such matters, he said nothing, then he deserves damnation.

    When I know what he said, then I will know whether to praise him or to damn him.
    If? Are you seriously saying that US military can do military actions without the approval of the Commander in Chief?
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    Re: American captain rescued, pirates killed, U.S. official says

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    I hope you are correct.

    If not, I hope the Navy and the Marines are preparing for the next taking, so that the next captain held hostage will have his captivity measured in hours rather than days.

    Still, a salute and high praise to the Navy. Hostage rescued, 3 pirates dead, the other in captivity....a good day's work.
    Could this have possibly be a stint to draw out the attention people paid to the situation. To start a legitimate hunt for Pirates and it not be a "unnecessary" endevaor. It seems the people got more into immediate action as it was prolonged.

    Could the delay have been strategy on the anti-piracy league?
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    Re: American captain rescued, pirates killed, U.S. official says

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Great news, but sucks for the anti-Obama crowd ...
    Don't be silly. On a day like this and with a development like this we are all united.

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    Re: American captain rescued, pirates killed, U.S. official says

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    If? Are you seriously saying that US military can do military actions without the approval of the Commander in Chief?
    ........Yes. Often, the Commander in Chief gets word after the conflict.

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    Re: American captain rescued, pirates killed, U.S. official says

    I think we sent a message to all somali pirates. And that message is "You can mess with the spineless and expect a ransom of millions but if you mess with the USA expect to be killed"

    The crew of the Alabama and the US Navy deserve to be commended for taking a stand against lawless pirates.
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    Re: American captain rescued, pirates killed, U.S. official says

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    If? Are you seriously saying that US military can do military actions without the approval of the Commander in Chief?
    Strange as it may seem to you, that is how the military operates.

    The Commander in Chief might have authorized the rescue. Perhaps the rescue effort was included in the orders given the Captain of the USS Bainbridge when she was ordered to the scene...and such a redeployment of Navy assets would have originated with the CinC; if that was the case, kudos to the CinC for issuing such orders.

    It is also possible that the Captain of the Bainbridge seized on an opportunity of the moment, and acted on his own authority. The Captain of a Navy ship has considerable latitude in such matters, and authorizing a rescue effort would easily have fallen within his standing authority.

    Since 2007, US Navy deployments and operations have been largely guided and informed by the strategy document "A Cooperative Strategy for 21st Century Seapower", which specifically endorses the use of Naval assets to secure and protect the sea lanes. One of the six strategic imperatives articulated by that document is directly relevant to the Somali situation:
    Prevent or contain local disruptions before they impact the global system.
    Maritime forces will work with others to ensure an adequate level of
    security and awareness in the maritime domain. In doing so, transnational
    threats—terrorists and extremists; proliferators of weapons of mass
    destruction; pirates; traffickers in persons, drugs, and conventional
    weapons; and other criminals—will be constrained.
    With such standing strategic doctrines and imperatives already in place, I doubt the Captain of the Bainbridge needed much additional authority from the CinC to act in this circumstance.

    The Commander-in-Chief could have communicated to the military that he wanted Captain Phillips rescued and the pirates captured or killed; I most certainly hope that the Commander-in-Chief did communicate that, for it is the right communication to make. I also know that he need not have made that communication in order for the crew of the Bainbridge to take appropriate action when presented with an opportunity to rescue Captain Phillips.

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    Re: American captain rescued, pirates killed, U.S. official says

    Obama approved force to rescue pirate hostage

    The Associated Press: Obama approved force to rescue pirate hostage
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    Re: American captain rescued, pirates killed, U.S. official says

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Great news, but sucks for the anti-Obama crowd ...
    Why, we're not the ones who want to cut defense funding by 25%.
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    Re: American captain rescued, pirates killed, U.S. official says

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    Obama approved force to rescue pirate hostage

    The Associated Press: Obama approved force to rescue pirate hostage
    That's good enough for me.

    Good job, Mr. President. That was the right call.

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    Re: American captain rescued, pirates killed, U.S. official says

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    Obama approved force to rescue pirate hostage

    The Associated Press: Obama approved force to rescue pirate hostage
    Good for him.
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