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    Re: American captain rescued, pirates killed, U.S. official says

    There are allready liberals on the news trying to garner sympathy for these dirtbags. The poor pirates. Its a sickness I tell you. Freekin spineless pacifist PC liberal douchbags need meds real bad.
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    Re: American captain rescued, pirates killed, U.S. official says

    Quote Originally Posted by BulletWounD View Post
    Here's your flaw. You're comparing the anarchic state of Somalia to Western countries with strong, organized, central governments, police, coast guard, a justice system, and that sort of thing. These things simply do not exist in Somalia. That's why when the Navy was negotiating with Somali "authorities" they were not on the phone with the "government of Somalia" but with tribal elders.
    Once again you would be WRONG; I am not trying to compare Somalia to any of these Governments.

    I used those examples to prove that the nation of Somali condones the terrorism off their shores, perhaps arms these terrorist thugs and allows them to operate with impunity and that the world of nations is avoiding the OBVIOUS by claiming these are mere acts of piracy.

    Carry on.

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    Re: American captain rescued, pirates killed, U.S. official says

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    And yet, they have an official Government web site:
    Official Federal government Website for Somalia

    And Government structure:
    Somali President HE. Abdullahi Yusuf Ahmed

    Somali Prime Minister HE. Ali Mohamed Gedi

    Speaker of the Somali Parliament Shariif Hassan Shiekh Adan

    It begs the question, what part of rogue terrorist regime did you not comprehend in my previous arguments?


    The point I have been making is that they allow this to terrorism to occur and are perhaps benefiting from it; attempting to claim these are pirates is a desperate political ploy to avoid with dealing with the Somali issue. This not just denial on the part of the Obama Administration, but the world and the UN and by calling it simply an act of piracy, it permits these feckless administrations from dealing with the OBVIOUS; a terrorist rogue regime that condones terrorism of the shipping lanes off it’s coast.
    So just because they have a website it doesn't mean that they are in a state of anarchy? Once again, you arguments sound far more like a conspiracy theory than anything.

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    Re: American captain rescued, pirates killed, U.S. official says

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    And yet, they have an official Government web site:
    Official Federal government Website for Somalia

    And Government structure:
    Somali President HE. Abdullahi Yusuf Ahmed

    Somali Prime Minister HE. Ali Mohamed Gedi

    Speaker of the Somali Parliament Shariif Hassan Shiekh Adan

    It begs the question, what part of rogue terrorist regime did you not comprehend in my previous arguments?


    The point I have been making is that they allow this to terrorism to occur and are perhaps benefiting from it; attempting to claim these are pirates is a desperate political ploy to avoid with dealing with the Somali issue. This not just denial on the part of the Obama Administration, but the world and the UN and by calling it simply an act of piracy, it permits these feckless administrations from dealing with the OBVIOUS; a terrorist rogue regime that condones terrorism of the shipping lanes off it’s coast.
    The "government of Somalia" only exists in a de jure capacity. Even that's debatable. It's kinda like if I stood up today and said "I'm the dictator of Floridageorgessee." Somalia itself is only a state because the UN says so. Seriously, you should do some reading before you spout off with your idiotic, Bushesque rhetoric.

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    Re: American captain rescued, pirates killed, U.S. official says

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    There are allready liberals on the news trying to garner sympathy for these dirtbags. The poor pirates. Its a sickness I tell you. Freekin spineless pacifist PC liberal douchbags need meds real bad.
    It was a liberal president who ordered the shooting of the pirates, and other liberals will coordinate the effort to eliminate the further threat of piracy, while you loudmouth chickenhawks, who demonstrated complete ineptitude during your 8 years in power, bow to your Lord Jabba the Rush and pray for the failure of the American administration. Why don't you just go join the Taliban?

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    Re: American captain rescued, pirates killed, U.S. official says

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    So just because they have a website it doesn't mean that they are in a state of anarchy? Once again, you arguments sound far more like a conspiracy theory than anything.
    Why do you so desperately troll and bait my posts? Did you have a coherent point to make, or feel compelled to wallow in abject denial of the arguments being made and fabricate your own version of reality?

    They have a Government, they are a member of the UN and their Government does indeed have structure. The notion that they are in a state of anarchy requires the willing suspension of disbelief and a vacuum of reality or the facts:

    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_member_states]United Nations member states - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

    Executive branch: chief of state: Transitional Federal President Sheikh SHARIF Sheikh Ahmed (since 31 January 2009); note - a transitional governing entity with a five-year mandate, known as the Transitional Federal Institutions (TFIs), was established in October 2004; the TFIs relocated to Somalia in June 2004

    Constitution: 25 August 1979, presidential approval 23 September 1979
    note: the formation of transitional governing institutions, known as the Transitional Federal Government, is currently ongoing

    head of government: Prime Minister Omar Abdirashid Ali SHARMARKE (since 13 February 2009)

    cabinet: Cabinet appointed by the prime minister and approved by the Transitional Federal Assembly

    election results: Sheikh SHARIF Sheikh Ahmed was elected president by the expanded Transitional Federal Assembly in Djibouti

    Legislative branch: unicameral National Assembly

    note: unicameral Transitional Federal Assembly (TFA) (550 seats; 475 members appointed according to the 4.5 clan formula, with the remaining 75 seats reserved for civil society and business persons)

    Judicial branch: following the breakdown of the central government, most regions have reverted to local forms of conflict resolution, either secular, traditional Somali customary law, or Sharia (Islamic) law with a provision for appeal of all sentences

    International organization participation: ACP, AfDB, AFESD, AMF, AU, CAEU, FAO, G-77, IBRD, ICAO, ICRM, IDA, IDB, IFAD, IFC, IFRCS, IGAD, ILO, IMF, IMO, Interpol, IOC, IOM, IPU, ITSO, ITU, LAS, NAM, OIC, UN, UNCTAD, UNESCO, UNHCR, UNIDO, UPU, WFTU, WHO, WIPO, WMO

    https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat.../print/so.html


    So please, stop this childish game you are playing and either make a point, or allow the posters I am debating to respond to my arguments.

    My argument is clear: the reasons the world body and the US administration refuses to acknowledge the terrorism being conducted from the shores of Somalia is because they do not want to deal with the real problem; the nation as a whole and the rogue regime running it. They do this by claiming these are mere acts of piracy which relieves them from actively dealing with the root cause and conveniently avoids dealing with the Somali problem.

    It would be more honest of you if you just stated you think I am full of **** instead of pretending you have a coherent counter-point.

    Run along now and troll and bait someone else’s posts. Your trite juvenile attempts are tiring and typical of your desperate attempts to avoid any substance.

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    Re: American captain rescued, pirates killed, U.S. official says

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Why do you so desperately troll and bait my posts? Did you have a coherent point to make, or feel compelled to wallow in abject denial of the arguments being made and fabricate your own version of reality?

    They have a Government, they are a member of the UN and their Government does indeed have structure. The notion that they are in a state of anarchy requires the willing suspension of disbelief and a vacuum of reality or the facts:

    United Nations member states - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Executive branch: chief of state: Transitional Federal President Sheikh SHARIF Sheikh Ahmed (since 31 January 2009); note - a transitional governing entity with a five-year mandate, known as the Transitional Federal Institutions (TFIs), was established in October 2004; the TFIs relocated to Somalia in June 2004

    Constitution: 25 August 1979, presidential approval 23 September 1979
    note: the formation of transitional governing institutions, known as the Transitional Federal Government, is currently ongoing

    head of government: Prime Minister Omar Abdirashid Ali SHARMARKE (since 13 February 2009)

    cabinet: Cabinet appointed by the prime minister and approved by the Transitional Federal Assembly

    election results: Sheikh SHARIF Sheikh Ahmed was elected president by the expanded Transitional Federal Assembly in Djibouti

    Legislative branch: unicameral National Assembly

    note: unicameral Transitional Federal Assembly (TFA) (550 seats; 475 members appointed according to the 4.5 clan formula, with the remaining 75 seats reserved for civil society and business persons)

    Judicial branch: following the breakdown of the central government, most regions have reverted to local forms of conflict resolution, either secular, traditional Somali customary law, or Sharia (Islamic) law with a provision for appeal of all sentences

    International organization participation: ACP, AfDB, AFESD, AMF, AU, CAEU, FAO, G-77, IBRD, ICAO, ICRM, IDA, IDB, IFAD, IFC, IFRCS, IGAD, ILO, IMF, IMO, Interpol, IOC, IOM, IPU, ITSO, ITU, LAS, NAM, OIC, UN, UNCTAD, UNESCO, UNHCR, UNIDO, UPU, WFTU, WHO, WIPO, WMO

    https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat.../print/so.html


    So please, stop this childish game you are playing and either make a point, or allow the posters I am debating to respond to my arguments.

    My argument is clear: the reasons the world body and the US administration refuses to acknowledge the terrorism being conducted from the shores of Somalia is because they do not want to deal with the real problem; the nation as a whole and the rogue regime running it. They do this by claiming these are mere acts of piracy which relieves them from actively dealing with the root cause and conveniently avoids dealing with the Somali problem.

    It would be more honest of you if you just stated you think I am full of **** instead of pretending you have a coherent counter-point.

    Run along now and troll and bait someone else’s posts. Your trite juvenile attempts are tiring and typical of your desperate attempts to avoid any substance.
    Basically reinforcing my point: Somalia is only a state because the UN says so and the TFG is only the "government of Somalia" because the UN says so.

    Also, I think your posts are too stupid to be real. You are a sockpuppet and a troll. Out yourself.

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    Re: American captain rescued, pirates killed, U.S. official says

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    It was a liberal president who ordered the shooting of the pirates...
    Had GWB done this, you'd be among the first to whine about it.

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    Re: American captain rescued, pirates killed, U.S. official says

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    It was a liberal president who ordered the shooting of the pirates, and other liberals will coordinate the effort to eliminate the further threat of piracy,
    Without dealing with the ROOT cause of this terrorism of international shipping off the coast of Somalia, the Somali Government, how do you think these "liberals" are going to eliminate the threat of "piracy?"

    This should be good for a few additional laughs.

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    while you loudmouth chickenhawks, who demonstrated complete ineptitude during your 8 years in power, bow to your Lord Jabba the Rush and pray for the failure of the American administration. Why don't you just go join the Taliban?
    The above is a perfect example of the hyperbole and hypocrisy of liberal thinking.

    You should be the poster child of Liberal denial, hypocrisy and selective outrage.

    I wonder if you will call your Liberal buddies “chicken hawks” if and when the Somali “pirates”, actually terrorists, carry out their threats against the US for our killing their terrorist buddies.

    Carry on; I look forward to more of your emotional hysterics.

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    Re: American captain rescued, pirates killed, U.S. official says

    Quote Originally Posted by BulletWounD View Post
    Basically reinforcing my point: Somalia is only a state because the UN says so and the TFG is only the "government of Somalia" because the UN says so.
    I am reinforcing your point? You're the one desperately trying to suggest that the Somali doesn't exist and Somalia is wallowing in anarchy.

    I have proved that they have a parliament, web site, leadership, structure are members of the world community, have a constitution and legal system.

    The argument I have made is that they are indeed a rogue regime that supports terrorist tactics and condones the attacks off their shores.

    What do we get from you? "Because the UN says so". How trite and banal and typical.

    Quote Originally Posted by BulletWounD View Post
    Also, I think your posts are too stupid to be real. You are a sockpuppet and a troll. Out yourself.
    Seeing you type this smacks of profound irony; this is the typical level one wallows into when debating a Liberal; when confronted with their abject denial and lack of facts, they resort to childish schoolyard insults.

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