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    Re: American captain rescued, pirates killed, U.S. official says

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Of course I can threaten the elders. In fact, they need to be threatened. They are, after all, the ones getting the richest off piracy. As for starting a war....they've declared war on international shipping, in case you haven't noticed. The "war" is already started. What we need to do is finish that war.

    Can't threaten the elders? Nonsense. They can be threatened. They need to be threatened. Find a threat that makes their blood run cold and use it.
    Tell em you'll set the dogs on em. That'll make the blood of any Muslim run cold.

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    Re: American captain rescued, pirates killed, U.S. official says

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    Tell em you'll set the dogs on em. That'll make the blood of any Muslim run cold.
    I just thought of a community service project for Michael Vick.....

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    Re: American captain rescued, pirates killed, U.S. official says

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    -- i think it is a mistake to treat this as criminal activity and not acts of war/terrorism.
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    If we do not do this, the Pirates, may become more violent the next time --
    Piracy is a crime, these guys are pirates not terrorists. Labeling them as such drives them into the arms of real terrorists.

    Bombing Somali ports and killing innocents as GySgt posted earlier is a big mistake too for a legitimate Govt to make. Taking decisive and final action as the US took today nips the threat in the bud.

    Just like to add my congrats to the US and to Obama for a successful mission. Personally surprised to see so many grudging acknowledgments for success from so many US posters too.

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    Re: American captain rescued, pirates killed, U.S. official says

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    Piracy is a crime, these guys are pirates not terrorists. Labeling them as such drives them into the arms of real terrorists.
    Seems to me they're already there. Terrorists do it for ideology, pirates do it for profit. It's the doing that needs to be stopped, whatever the motivation. Pirate, terrorist, the distinction is irrelevant. They have abandoned civilized society and are no longer deserving of civilized treatment.

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    Bombing Somali ports and killing innocents as GySgt posted earlier is a big mistake too for a legitimate Govt to make. Taking decisive and final action as the US took today nips the threat in the bud.
    The rescue was decisive. It was anything but final. Piracy has not been diminished or even discouraged by this action. This one action is a good first step, but it will be meaningless as deterrence if not followed up with other actions.

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    Re: American captain rescued, pirates killed, U.S. official says

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    Piracy is a crime, these guys are pirates not terrorists.
    These people are armed robbers.
    They aren't just affecting a bank, but commerce and safety on a critical transport route.
    They're vermin and need to be taken care of.

    Labeling them as such (terrorists) drives them into the arms of real terrorists.
    LOL.
    Yeah, calling these bandits "terrorists" will be the tipping point.
    That's going to really, really piss them off.
    Maybe Obama will apologize to them on behalf of the nation of "cowards" and explain to them that we are the evil ones, and will repent for our sins.

    At what accumulation of hijacking on the sea do we begin to call it "terrorism"?

    Six decades of appeasement in the ME brought us the terror mess we now have to exterminate.
    Letting vermin grow has its costs.
    Ask Chamberlain.

    Bombing Somali ports and killing innocents as GySgt posted earlier is a big mistake too for a legitimate Govt to make. Taking decisive and final action as the US took today nips the threat in the bud.
    Who says we are targeting innocents?
    Our bombs are pretty accurate and getting intel for specific targets isn't as difficult as say in Iraq when Saddam was the henchman, or North Korea.

    I believe they should learn that messing with America has its costs.
    Touch our vessels and you won't be sleeping well, and maybe you'll be sleeping permanently.

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    Re: American captain rescued, pirates killed, U.S. official says

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    Piracy is a crime, these guys are pirates not terrorists. Labeling them as such drives them into the arms of real terrorists.

    Nonsense. This is an act of terrorism. Not "islamic" terrorism per say, but terrorism of opportunity. To call it a criminal activity is going to get Americans killed.

    Bombing Somali ports and killing innocents as GySgt posted earlier is a big mistake too for a legitimate Govt to make. Taking decisive and final action as the US took today nips the threat in the bud.

    You are wrong, all it does is tell the pirates they must act quicker and be more ruthless.

    Bombing the mansions and the means to commit these acts of barbarism is the action needed to quell piracy.,





    Just like to add my congrats to the US and to Obama for a successful mission. Personally surprised to see so many grudging acknowledgments for success from so many US posters too.


    No one is "grudgingly" acknowledging. That spin is on the lefts side.
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    Re: American captain rescued, pirates killed, U.S. official says

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Seems to me they're already there.
    I'm talking real terrorist groups like Al-Q or financing from states like Iran. So far the pirates seem to be acting alone.

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    -- The rescue was decisive. It was anything but final.
    I meant "Final" as in the immediate perps are dead or captured.

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    This one action is a good first step, but it will be meaningless as deterrence if not followed up with other actions.
    To some point that's agreed, the pirates will for a time try and avoid capturing any US ships though.

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    Re: American captain rescued, pirates killed, U.S. official says

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    These people are armed robbers.
    They aren't just affecting a bank, but commerce and safety on a critical transport route.
    They're vermin and need to be taken care of.
    No disagreement there.

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    LOL.
    Yeah, calling these bandits "terrorists" will be the tipping point.
    That's going to really, really piss them off.
    Shall we wait and see?

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Maybe Obama will apologize to them on behalf of the nation of "cowards" and explain to them that we are the evil ones, and will repent for our sins.
    First off he didn't - he apparently approved lethal force if necessary. You may have missed that event.

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    At what accumulation of hijacking on the sea do we begin to call it "terrorism"?
    When the modus operandi has the hallmarks of terrorism. Not before.

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Six decades of appeasement in the ME brought us the terror mess we now have to exterminate.
    Letting vermin grow has its costs.
    Ask Chamberlain.
    Relevance?

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Who says we are targeting innocents?.
    [sigh]Go back in the thread and read GySgts post. He didn't say anyone is targeting innocents - he spoke of one form of next step which I am disagreeing with[/sigh]

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    Re: American captain rescued, pirates killed, U.S. official says

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Nonsense. This is an act of terrorism. Not "islamic" terrorism per say, but terrorism of opportunity. To call it a criminal activity is going to get Americans killed.
    Sorry but it's still hallmark illegal activity and robbery with hostage taking. They are like armed bank-robbers but at sea.

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    -- You are wrong, all it does is tell the pirates they must act quicker and be more ruthless.
    I doubt that very much - I read the report you quoted from Reuters saying they were upping the stakes now some of them had been killed but decisive action like the US carried out today (and maybe one or two more examples if there are any more ships taken) will start to deter them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Bombing the mansions --
    It's Somalia... very much doubt there are any mansions around.

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    -- No one is "grudgingly" acknowledging. That spin is on the lefts side.
    You forget, I'm not US-right or US-left as I'm not US anything. "Grudging" is how it reads to a neutral.

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    Re: American captain rescued, pirates killed, U.S. official says

    [quote=Infinite Chaos;1057989309]Sorry but it's still hallmark illegal activity and robbery with hostage taking. They are like armed bank-robbers but at sea.[quote]


    Taking hostages and ransoming them is a form of terrorism. Not classic "islamic terrorism" but "terrorism" even by thier own agenda. Supposedly this is because we pollute thier waters or something.





    I doubt that very much - I read the report you quoted from Reuters saying they were upping the stakes now some of them had been killed but decisive action like the US carried out today (and maybe one or two more examples if there are any more ships taken) will start to deter them.
    "will"? isn't that a bit speculative.




    It's Somalia... very much doubt there are any mansions around.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...boom-town.html


    Pirates are building mansions, big cars, etc.




    You forget, I'm not US-right or US-left as I'm not US anything. "Grudging" is how it reads to a neutral.

    Sorry, I don't think "neutral" is right either. Though I know you are more liberty oriented. I simply think you are overestimating the impact "interdiction" will have here.
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