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Saudi judge upholds man's marriage to 8-year-old

Child Marriage however is not confined to the Muslim world. If what you say is true then we should be seeing secret child marriages in the Western world. We see no such thing. Child marriage is more to with poverty and low expentancy rate.

Think about it, your an African with 10 children, you can barely feed them. Marriage as soon as possible mean thats daughter will get free food from her new husband and their will be more food for her siblings. I'm not saying its right, but those are the struggles these people face.

Its all fair and good and look through idealistic glasses from your own armchair. These people unlike us struggle to survive.

Like I said child marraiges are not confined to the Islamic world, but the poor world.

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Yeah nowadays. Except from Christain tribes in Sub-Sahara Africa and South America. Like I said, its poverty, not religion that is the cause of child marriage.


1. Most child marriages in most regions (Asia, India, ect...) occur between TWO CHILDREN. Only in islamic lands do marriages occur between a 47 year-old man and an 8 year-old girl.

In the U.S. there are two groups who do this and guess what ... WE PUT THEM IN ****ING PRISON FOR IT.

Is Islam-o-land --- A JUDGE UPHELD IT (REFUSED TO DISSOLVE). This is disgusting.

That 47 year-old ****bag pedo scumsucker needs death --- the judge the upheld the marriage needs to be covered in pigs blood and then have his beard forcibly removed with a gas powered weed-whacker.

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1. Most child marriages in most regions (Asia, India, ect...) occur between TWO CHILDREN. Only in islamic lands do marriages occur between a 47 year-old man and an 8 year-old girl.

In the U.S. there are two groups who do this and guess what ... WE PUT THEM IN ****ING PRISON FOR IT.

Is Islam-o-land --- A JUDGE UPHELD IT (REFUSED TO DISSOLVE). This is disgusting.

That 47 year-old ****bag pedo scumsucker needs death --- the judge the upheld the marriage needs to be covered in pigs blood and then have his beard forcibly removed with a gas powered weed-whacker.

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You truly are a model of civility...
 
Please point out where I used the OT to deny anyone anything? Please don't lie.

I am not saying you did, I am saying you nor any other christians will, correct?

#1 He fulfilled the prophecy's and made a new covenant.

Oh so the Nile river DID dry out? And the city of Dalmascus was destroyed?

And where does he say the old laws no longer apply?

#2 He was speaking spiritually not physically. :roll:

A. How do you know?
B. How does that really make it any better?

Ummm... None of those quotes have anything even remotely to do with anything

Yes it does, women in the NT were demanded to be 2nd class citizens, like Jesus is to the church a women is to her husband. Do you agree with the NT on that?
 
I am not saying you did, I am saying you nor any other christians will, correct?

That is not what you said...

"Oh that's good news! So you'll stop citing the old testament everytime you want to deny gays their rights? Hey I'll take that! And the 10 commandments are obviously moot now as well, good ridance." - Unrein

So you did say it was me directly, and obviously you were mistaken. I also see no mention of anyone else, so this is also not true.

Now as for your implying someone cannot use it. They can, but they better be willing to defend it.

Oh so the Nile river DID dry out? And the city of Dalmascus was destroyed?

He fulfilled the prophecy pertaining to the messiah. As for the rest, I don't know.

And where does he say the old laws no longer apply?

Common sense. The temple was destroyed, so the old law no longer applys even to Jews as far as that goes.

Jesus died on the cross to allow non-Jews to attain heaven as well. This is the new covenant written in his blood for all people.

A. How do you know?

Because revelations is all about spiritual visions. Unless you believe a dragon etc will soon be coming to end the earth?

B. How does that really make it any better?

You are kidding correct?

Yes it does, women in the NT were demanded to be 2nd class citizens, like Jesus is to the church a women is to her husband.

Holy misunderstanding Batman!

Jesus is the spiritual head of the church and we submit to his spiritual judgement.

"Ephesians 2

20 Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;

21 Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.
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Sounds like the beginnings of a healthy marriage to me.

"22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord."

Again, sounds like a healthy spiritual marriage. Lets face it, if more men took the responsibility of being a husband and father seriously, this would not be any kind of an issue.

"23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body."

Normal sounding here. Please point out how being a good wife and following your husband is being a second class citizen?

"24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing."

The church is subject to Christ spiritualy not physically.

The law was laid down as a guid to good living and spiritual full fillment, not govermental laws.

So not only does this still have absolutely nothing to do with my post, it shows basically you have little understanding of the information at hand.

No they are not treated as second class citizens as it is not laws for government, but salvation.

Do you agree with the NT on that?

While you were cherry picking for Bible quotes you left out the last part...

"So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself. For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church: For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church (28-32)."

Yes I do.
 
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You truly are a model of civility...

Civility is for civilized people.

People who allow 47 year-old pedophiles to marry 8 year-old children are NOT civilized.
 
That is not what you said...

"Oh that's good news! So you'll stop citing the old testament everytime you want to deny gays their rights? Hey I'll take that! And the 10 commandments are obviously moot now as well, good ridance." - Unrein

So you did say it was me directly,

"You" as in a group, Christians. You Christians.

He fulfilled the prophecy pertaining to the messiah.

Which prophecy? The prophecy that the apocalypse would happen in the life-time of the apostles? How did that turn out?And how do you know he fulfilled it?

As for the rest, I don't know.

I'll fill you in. They were failed prophecies. At some point, I believe it was Isaiah, says that the Nile river would dry up. Also, the city of Damascus was supposed to be destroyed, never happened. City still exists today, always has. It's actually a really beautiful, resilient city but, besides the point.

Common sense. The temple was destroyed, so the old law no longer applys even to Jews as far as that goes.

I don't see how a temple being destroyed co notates 'the old laws are moot now'.

Also consider:
"Matthew 5:18-19 (American Standard Version)
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass away from the law, till all things be accomplished."



Because revelations is all about spiritual visions. Unless you believe a dragon etc will soon be coming to end the earth?

Yeah, that's one way to put it, another would be 'nonsense' or 'superstition' or, that guy was stoned out of his mind.



Holy misunderstanding Batman!

"22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord."

Again, sounds like a healthy spiritual marriage. Lets face it, if more men took the responsibility of being a husband and father seriously, this would not be any kind of an issue.

"23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body."

Normal sounding here. Please point out how being a good wife and following your husband is being a second class citizen?

"24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing."

The church is subject to Christ spiritualy not physically.

Man they thought you this apologetics stuff really well didn't they?

The bible is saying women should look at men the same way someone looks at God, that's not an equal relationship and that is CLEARLY and explicitly saying women are lesser then men (as men are lesser than god)

And no, asserting the superiority of one individual to another is not 'the beginnings of a healthy relationship". I can't believe you are trying to defend blatant misogyny by claiming it's simply some innocent, hallmark spiritual sentiment.


Come on, this stuff is indefendable:

1 Tim. 2:11-14
"Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression."

But as for these enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and slaughter them in my presence. [spoken by Jesus as a parable] (Luke 19:27 NRS)

Don't plan for the future. (Matthew 6:34)
Don't save money. (Matthew 6:19-20)
Don't become wealthy. (Mark 10:21-25)
Sell everything and give it to the poor. (Luke 12:33)
Don't work to obtain food. (John 6:27)
Don't have sexual urges. (Matthew 5:28)

If anyone comes to me without hating his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, and even his own life, he can not be my disciple. (Luke 14:26 NAB)


And it was in the third hour, and they crucified him.
- Mark 25:3-4

And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour; and he saith unto the Jews, behold your king... Shall I crucify your king?
- John 19:14-15
 
"You" as in a group, Christians. You Christians.



Which prophecy? The prophecy that the apocalypse would happen in the life-time of the apostles? How did that turn out?And how do you know he fulfilled it?



I'll fill you in. They were failed prophecies. At some point, I believe it was Isaiah, says that the Nile river would dry up. Also, the city of Damascus was supposed to be destroyed, never happened. City still exists today, always has. It's actually a really beautiful, resilient city but, besides the point.



I don't see how a temple being destroyed co notates 'the old laws are moot now'.

Also consider:
"Matthew 5:18-19 (American Standard Version)
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass away from the law, till all things be accomplished."





Yeah, that's one way to put it, another would be 'nonsense' or 'superstition' or, that guy was stoned out of his mind.





Man they thought you this apologetics stuff really well didn't they?

The bible is saying women should look at men the same way someone looks at God, that's not an equal relationship and that is CLEARLY and explicitly saying women are lesser then men (as men are lesser than god)

And no, asserting the superiority of one individual to another is not 'the beginnings of a healthy relationship". I can't believe you are trying to defend blatant misogyny by claiming it's simply some innocent, hallmark spiritual sentiment.


Come on, this stuff is indefendable:

#1 You have very little understanding of anything biblical or what is accepted in context, in the Bible. I am not going to sit here and give you a Bible study. Your reasoning is just stupid and makes little sense.

You try and say prophecy's that have not happened yet are not true because they have not happened?? :lol:

#2 Your interpretations of certain scripture is just dead wrong and you don't care, so I don't care if you get it right or not. Trying to tell you is a waist of my time at this point.

#3 You are trying to compare someones personal life to governmental law. :roll:
 
Civility is for civilized people.

People who allow 47 year-old pedophiles to marry 8 year-old children are NOT civilized.

Oh get over it already.

History will not change and no, i do not defend pedophilia as an act but to say Islam teaches pedophilia is ignorant.
 
isn't that religion bashing?

Might be; if any of the world's religions is in need of bashing, its Islam...
But the, why is it that our nation cares and worries so much about other nations.
We must stop trying to spread and promote our rights, ideals, particularly democracy...
When nations ,mainly Islamic ones ,are ready for democracy and human rights, they will let us know...
 
You always wonder why I attack Islamic law ---- this case is a perfect example of why Islam CANNOT be allowed to govern anywhere EVER for ANY reason.

I do not want any religion having a hand in politics. Theocracy brings little and damages alot.
 
Just ignore him, it will help you in the long run around here.;)

Cease your ad hom attacks.

My opinion is as valid as yours.

If you cannot accept this fact, you can leave.

Laila --- have the courage to respond; if not, please refrain from brown-nosing.
 
Oh get over it already.

History will not change and no, i do not defend pedophilia as an act but to say Islam teaches pedophilia is ignorant.

Islam doesn't teach it ... but apparently Islam allows and encourages it.

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Laila --- have the courage to respond; if not, please refrain from brown-nosing.

Respond to the thread? I thought i had ... o_O
 
Update on story:

BBC NEWS | World | Middle East | Saudis 'to regulate' child brides

Saudi Arabia says it plans to start regulating the marriage of young girls, amid controversy over a union between a 60-year-old man and a girl of eight.

A court in Unaiza upheld the marriage on condition the groom does not have sex with her until she reaches puberty.

Justice Minister Muhammad Issa said his ministry wanted to put an end to the "arbitrary" way in which parents and guardians can marry off underage girls.

But he did not suggest the practice would be abolished.

Human-rights groups oppose such marriages, which they say are often motivated by poverty.

Saudi Arabia implements an austere form of Sunni Islam that bans free association between the sexes and gives fathers the right to wed their children to whomever they deem fit.
 
It's a human rights issue and unfortunately any society that discriminates and abuses women will also violate the human rights of children. The women need to earn 1st class citizenship and respect first and then they turn around and demand the same for the children. The only solution to this problem is that the women be freed. It is virtually impossible to protect any children when women are viewed as the lesser sex.
 
It's a human rights issue and unfortunately any society that discriminates and abuses women will also violate the human rights of children. The women need to earn 1st class citizenship and respect first and then they turn around and demand the same for the children. The only solution to this problem is that the women be freed. It is virtually impossible to protect any children when women are viewed as the lesser sex.

The only way to make this happen is to force Islam out of government.

While Islam interferes in the government, children will be raped, women will be abused, and people will be stoned to death because some Imam asshole says doing so is holy.

Theocracy is a crime against humanity.
 
The only way to make this happen is to force Islam out of government.

Agreed. It's unlikely Islam will evolve towards equality of the sexes. Even Catholicism is still a male dominated patriarchal system. When people aren't governed by these religious forces the churches loose respect and power which in turn pressures them to evolve a bit or risk irrelevancy. Allowing religious powers to govern however has the complete opposite effect.
 
Disgusting ****bags.

The judge and the groom both need to be executed.

Then their beards need to be forcibly removed and they need to be bathed in pig's blood and then burned.

Disgusting Saudi ****bags!

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Arranged marriage is widely practiced in India too. Are we gonna kill them and bathe them in cow's blood?
 
Arranged marriage is widely practiced in India too. Are we gonna kill them and bathe them in cow's blood?

Only the Muslim 10%! We will then smear their blood on our faces and dance around the bonfire that consumes their bodies! All hail our civilization!

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Arranged marriage is widely practiced in India too. Are we gonna kill them and bathe them in cow's blood?

In India children are marrying children. While disturbing ... it this isn't as disgusting as a 47 year-old man marrying an 8 year-old girl.
 
The only way to make this happen is to force Islam out of government.

I have to seriously ask here Vader.

you are supportive of ousting Chavez, North Korean's leader, Russian's leader, Iran's leader, Pakistan's leader, where the hell do you expect this to come from?

I mean seriously, where are you expecting this man power to come from? You want to overthrow practically everyone that isn't an ally of the U.S.

No offense, but your suggestions are nothing but madness.
 
I have to seriously ask here Vader.

you are supportive of ousting Chavez, North Korean's leader, Russian's leader, Iran's leader, Pakistan's leader, where the hell do you expect this to come from?

I mean seriously, where are you expecting this man power to come from? You want to overthrow practically everyone that isn't an ally of the U.S.

No offense, but your suggestions are nothing but madness.

For once I agree with you. Sometimes I'm tempted to wonder if Vader is actually serious when he talks this complete and utter ****.
 
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