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Saudi judge upholds man's marriage to 8-year-old

What? Pedophilia?? Those dirty Muslims! They should follow good, wholesome Judeo-Christian morals, and stone gays and disobediant children to death. That's how a real civilization functions!

Wait I think they already do that...
 
What? Pedophilia?? Those dirty Muslims! They should follow good, wholesome Judeo-Christian morals, and stone gays and disobediant children to death. That's how a real civilization functions!

Wait I think they already do that...

Flat out lies, Christains do not stone people to death. Welcome to my ignore list noob.
 
Then they aren't real christians are they? Because God clearly demands that you do in the Bible.



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Yes he does of his chosen people thousands of years ago. This has no relevance to modern Christians in any way. Unless you can point out where Jesus says stoning children or something similar is OK? being Christian is trying to be and live the word of Christ, not a Jew thousands of years ago under the old covenant.

PS I have a suspicion that you already know this and prefer to put up a bunk smoke screen or lie just the same.
 
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Source: CNN
Date: April 12, 2009



Saudi judge upholds man's marriage to 8-year-old - CNN.com

Does this surprise anyone? After all this 47 year old man is simply following the example of the pedophile profit Muhammad. Muhammad himself was 47 when he consumated his marriage to nine year old Aisha. Needless to say the civilized world is outraged that this judge refuses for a 2nd time to annul this marriage. The sick twisted 47 year old man says he will not consumate the marriage until the girl reaches puberty.

I first read this story at the following link back in Aug 2008

Court to consider divorce for 8-year-old girl | World News | News.com.au
What is the law? Except in the rarest of cases it is up to judge to uphold the rule of law, nothing else. Whether this is right is for another sphere of gov't.

PS: Those people who need to attack Christianity in this discussion are morons. They should be ignored.
 
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Heh.. The reason I asked (a perfectly on-topic question, btw) is because I was afraid you would say something ludicrous.. you know, an utterly false statement like the one that follows:
How is it on topic for you to attack people's religions based on an off-hand phrase like "by the grace of God". Seriously we don't need that crap FOR GOD'S SAKE.
 
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Yes he does of his chosen people thousands of years ago. This has no relevance to modern Christians in any way.

Oh that's good news! So you'll stop citing the old testament everytime you want to deny gays their rights? Hey I'll take that! And the 10 commandments are obviously moot now as well, good ridance.

You know, the NT was also written for the same people, 2000 years ago as well. So I might just say the NT has no bearing on you either.

Unless you can point out where Jesus says stoning children or something similar is OK?

Jesus actually says that he is not here to change the old laws, which clearly means he thinks they should still be in effect, no? I will grant you this though, I'am not aware of any NT in which he actively demands other people to kill children, but he does threaten it himself at one point.

Matthews 5:17
Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.

Revelation 2:23
And I will kill her children with pestilence, and all the churches will know that I am He who searches the minds and hearts; and I will give to each one of you according to your deeds.

Now here is more New Testament goodness:

Ephesians 2
20Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;

21Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.

22Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.

23For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

24Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

Matthew 5:
28 but I say unto you, that every one that looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

Matthew 18:8-9
8 And if thy hand or thy foot causeth thee to stumble, cut it off, and cast it from thee: it is good for thee to enter into life maimed or halt, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into the eternal fire.

9 And if thine eye causeth thee to stumble, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is good for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into the hell of fire.
 
PS: Those people who need to attack Christianity in this discussion are morons.

People who need to 'attack' Islam in the same respect, are morons. If you want to call one religions prophet a pedophile, don't get pissed when people contrast it with your religion. Don't cast stones, he who livith in a glass house.
 
It's not pedophilia because in Saudi Arabia our version of pedophilia laws do not exist. You are applying a Western value to a non-Western situation. Secondly, calling Mohammed a pedophile is just distasteful... he was alive in an era where the majority of the world's nations engaged in marrying people that were essentially children, mostly because people's lifespans were a third complete by the time they were 12.

Second... to take one case and imply that all of Islam is this way is just laughable. Taking the worst possible case imaginable and then generalizing an entire religion is a sign of true ignorance and lack of imagination. Are you aware that most of the Islamic world resides in countries that are developed and don't follow such stone age traditions?

Religion is part of culture, but not all cultures that contain Islam operate this way. You could just as easily isolate Christian populations in the world that still engage in underage marriage, or Hindus, or Jews, etc. But what those minorities do is not true of the whole, is it?

Another enormous FAIL by SgtRock at trying to generalize all of Islam with his mundane examples.
 
Are you aware that most of the Islamic world resides in countries that are developed and don't follow such stone age traditions?

Actually, people like Sgt. seem to be under the impression that the entire Islamic world is like Afghanistan. The reality is, what is now the Islamic middle east is where civilization was invented. Much of the great scientific and mathmatical knowledge was pioneered by those people. And some of the most beautiful cities and architecture exists over there on the Arabian peninsula. Places like Dubai, Yemen, etc.

http://travel.nationalgeographic.com/places/images/photos/photo_lg_yemen.jpg
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/images/dubai.jpg
http://travel.nationalgeographic.com/places/images/photos/photo_lg_oman.jpg

Sure, I don't really appreciate that women are running around in costumes, and I detest the Islamic religion like do all religions, but there seems to be a misconception that this entire area is all a back-woods 3rd world ghetto, which is a bunch of s#it.
 
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People who need to 'attack' Islam in the same respect, are morons. If you want to call one religions prophet a pedophile, don't get pissed when people contrast it with your religion. Don't cast stones, he who livith in a glass house.

Bull****. I personally am a defender of the ancient and rich tradition of Islam and the Arabs but I do get pissed off that morons keep completely stupidly and irrelevantly attacking Christianity when some other moron attacks Islam. There is no need for it, it serves no purpose and is retarded.
 
Bull****. I personally am a defender of the ancient and rich tradition of Islam and the Arabs but I do get pissed off that morons keep completely stupidly and irrelevantly attacking Christianity when some other moron attacks Islam. There is no need for it, it serves no purpose and is retarded.

It does serve a purpose, balance. I don't want to promote the idea that only Islam is stupid and corrupt, when they all are. So again, glass houses and stones.
 
It does serve a purpose, balance. I don't want to promote the idea that only Islam is stupid and corrupt, when they all are. So again, glass houses and stones.

It serves the purpose of being your soapbox otherwise it is completely irrelevant for the thread. What Islam is can and should be viewed in isolation of moronic attacks on Christianity or religion in general. It serves in no sense as "balance" but in fact adds to the side of idiocy.
 
This is totally disgusting and the prophet Muhammad set the example for these perverts. Why people continue to make excusses for this is beyond me.

Prophet Mohammed did nothing wrong 2,000 years ago and he set no such precedence - Child marriages was understandable in a era of infant mortality and the human liferate.
Islam does not teach pedophilia, no matter how much you wish it did Sgt.
 
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Well obviously not, but people debate history all the time. And considering history is repeating itself right now with this 47 year old creep who wants to marry an 8 year old little girl, it's pretty darned relevent.

We can only surmise the psychological damage it did to that little girl 2,000 years ago. Physically, we know intercourse with someone that small would have likely damaged her vagina.

I don't mean any disrespect to your prophet, Laila. Clearly you have a love and admiration for him. I just think marriage to a child is grotesque. I think I'm entitled to believe that.

Families who conduct in child marraiges are usually very uneducated people, who think as soon as the girl bleeds she is ready to haev children. They don't know that it will damage the child's frame of mind (they probably don' t know of pyschology). They don't know that the girls body is unable to take the burden of pregnency or the act of sexual intercourse. They are uneducated.
 
It does to me.

Damn right she was, a very good wife too y'know.

The thing is, it doesn't make sense for a peadophile to marry a child of 8. Sure maybe the paedophile can get some sick pleasure for a few years, but children grow up fast, especially girls. It wouldn't make sense to commit a marriage for the sake that she is 8 years old.

But 8 years old is too young to get married.
 
GarzaUK with his usual diversion tactic away from this particular case is attempting to convince us that this happens all over the world amongst many cultures including our own with the likes of Warren Jeffs and such. That may be true and poverty may be part of it. But we are not discussing any other cases or stats on child marriage. This thread is about a specific story. So Garza stop with the typical diversion tactics. We can see right through your agenda of appeasment and excuse making. This case has everyhting to do with religion and nothing to do with poverty.

LOL nice. We BOTH find child marriage terrible. However you went about it as "Look at ISLAM, what a fould religion, promoting child marraige. Ewwww."

My argument is that is poverty that promotes child marriages. And clearly as I have shown with EVIDENCE, that christains, hindi and buddhist people conduct in child marriage. Where is your outcry against these faiths Sgt Rock?? I have shown you data that povery is responsible.

This is weak Sgt Rock. W E A K. Face it I caught you and your agenda out.

I don't like Islam. I find some of its teachings awful. But I am passionate for the truth and knowledge. And the promotion of child marriage cannot be blamed on Islam.
 
Oh that's good news! So you'll stop citing the old testament everytime you want to deny gays their rights? Hey I'll take that! And the 10 commandments are obviously moot now as well, good ridance.

Please point out where I used the OT to deny anyone anything? Please don't lie.

You know, the NT was also written for the same people, 2000 years ago as well. So I might just say the NT has no bearing on you either.

No it was not. The people from the OT were long dead. Guess you did not know this?

Jesus actually says that he is not here to change the old laws, which clearly means he thinks they should still be in effect, no? I will grant you this though, I'am not aware of any NT in which he actively demands other people to kill children, but he does threaten it himself at one point.

Matthews 5:17
Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.

Revelation 2:23
And I will kill her children with pestilence, and all the churches will know that I am He who searches the minds and hearts; and I will give to each one of you according to your deeds.

#1 He fulfilled the prophecy's and made a new covenant. The old laws no longer apply to anyone.

#2 He was speaking spiritually not physically. :roll:

Now here is more New Testament goodness:

Ummm... None of those quotes have anything even remotely to do with anything other than your own lack of understanding.
 
LOL nice. We BOTH find child marriage terrible. However you went about it as "Look at ISLAM, what a fould religion, promoting child marraige. Ewwww."

My argument is that is poverty that promotes child marriages. And clearly as I have shown with EVIDENCE, that christains, hindi and buddhist people conduct in child marriage. Where is your outcry against these faiths Sgt Rock?? I have shown you data that povery is responsible.

This is weak Sgt Rock. W E A K. Face it I caught you and your agenda out.

I don't like Islam. I find some of its teachings awful. But I am passionate for the truth and knowledge. And the promotion of child marriage cannot be blamed on Islam.

Once again Garza, we are talking about a specific case of child marriage here. I agree that child marriage in general is reprehensible to say the least. For some reason you have difficulty discussing this specific case which has nothing to do with poverty and everything to do with a culture which condones abuse towards women and children. And a religion in which there prophet set the example. Please lets discuss this story, Thankyou.
 
Why do Christians, Hindus and Buddhists take part in child marriages then? Like I have showed it is poverty, not religion.

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In fact the Islamic world doesn't seem to be the leader in child marriages.

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It is unacceptable and hope all countries fight against it. But to blame it on Islam or any religion is inaccurate.

India changed its rules --- child marriage is illegal there now.

Christians haven't allowed child marriage since the late 19th and very early 20th century.

Even when it did occur --- 8 year-old children WERE NOT GETTING MARRIED. Period.

Defending Islam is lame and you need to quit doing it.

Islam allows this atrocity still today --- whereas most civilized countries have outlawed it.

Do not attempt to sugar coat what occurred by posted lame, out-dated statistics that prove nothing more than your personal fondness for Islam.
 
Prophet Mohammed is not a pedophile.

To judge him nearly 2,000 years after his actions by 21st century standards of morality which has evolved with our growing knowledge is ridiculous and illogical.

But hey, your opinion.
I still love my Prophet.

WRONG --

He married a six year old --- he IS a pedophile. DO NOT try to defend his actions.

I realize times where different in those days and I realize that life expectancy was terrible; however, marrying a six year-old IS UNACCEPTABLE.
 
.... Why bring Prophet Mohammed up? :confused:

On topic, Saudi Arabia seriously needs to come to the 21st century. That is just disgusting

Laila,

You always wonder why I attack Islamic law ---- this case is a perfect example of why Islam CANNOT be allowed to govern anywhere EVER for ANY reason.

Islamic law basically legalizes pedophilia. This is unacceptable.

This is why theocracy died out in most places --- BECAUSE IT DOESN'T WORK.

We need a world campaign against Islamic theocracy.

SAY NO TO ISLAMIC THEOCRACY!!!!!
 
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A girl can start her periods as early as 9 you know .... :/
Btw, there is no proof over the consumation of a marriage

Mohammed consumated his marriage to Aisha when she was nine years old.
 
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