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    Re: Saudi judge upholds man's marriage to 8-year-old

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    Lets start with the Grand Mufti. In Sunni muslim countries such as Syria, Saudi Arabia, etc. The Grand Mufti is the religious leader of that country. In Saudi Arabia Grand Mufti Sheikh Abdulaziz Al al-Sheikh would be part of this hierarchy.

    In Shia muslim countries such as Iran Grand Ayatollah Ali Khamenei who is the supreme leader with more power than the president is at the top of the Shia hierarchy in Iran.

    Much like the pope is a christain religious leader, these men are islamic religious leaders.

    I like you Sgt but you seem confused.

    My sect has no heirachy and no one can lead Islam apart from the Prophets.
    We have no equivalent of a Pope and never will do.

    Every Imam, cleric, Sheikh and man can interpret the Qu'ran their own way and each their view holds equal weight.


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    Re: Saudi judge upholds man's marriage to 8-year-old

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    I like you Sgt but you seem confused.

    My sect has no heirachy and no one can lead Islam apart from the Prophets.
    We have no equivalent of a Pope and never will do.

    Every Imam, cleric, Sheikh and man can interpret the Qu'ran their own way and each their view holds equal weight.
    This is blatant BS. If everybody's views held equal weight than the Ayatollah and his hierarchy would not be able to dictate law according to their interpretation of the Koran.
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    Re: Saudi judge upholds man's marriage to 8-year-old

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    I like you Sgt but you seem confused.

    My sect has no heirachy and no one can lead Islam apart from the Prophets.
    We have no equivalent of a Pope and never will do.

    Every Imam, cleric, Sheikh and man can interpret the Qu'ran their own way and each their view holds equal weight.
    The pope is at the top of christain hierarchy. He is not a prophet. Are you saying that a mufti or ayatollah are not religious leaders?


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    –noun, plural -chies. 1. any system of persons or things ranked one above another.
    2. government by ecclesiastical rulers.
    3. the power or dominion of a hierarch.
    4. an organized body of ecclesiastical officials in successive ranks or orders: the Roman Catholic hierarchy.
    5. one of the three divisions of the angels, each made up of three orders, conceived as constituting a graded body.
    6. Also called celestial hierarchy. the collective body of angels.
    7. government by an elite group.
    8. Linguistics. the system of levels according to which a language is organized, as phonemic, morphemic, syntactic, or semantic.


    So there is no hierarchy amongst religious leaders say in Iran. There is no pecking order? No chain of command so to speak? They all have the same power?

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    Re: Saudi judge upholds man's marriage to 8-year-old

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    The pope is at the top of christain hierarchy. He is not a prophet. Are you saying that a mufti or ayatollah are not religious leaders?


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    hi⋅er⋅ar⋅chy   /ˈhaɪəˌrɑrki, ˈhaɪrɑr-/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [hahy-uh-rahr-kee, hahy-rahr-] Show IPA
    –noun, plural -chies. 1. any system of persons or things ranked one above another.
    2. government by ecclesiastical rulers.
    3. the power or dominion of a hierarch.
    4. an organized body of ecclesiastical officials in successive ranks or orders: the Roman Catholic hierarchy.
    5. one of the three divisions of the angels, each made up of three orders, conceived as constituting a graded body.
    6. Also called celestial hierarchy. the collective body of angels.
    7. government by an elite group.
    8. Linguistics. the system of levels according to which a language is organized, as phonemic, morphemic, syntactic, or semantic.


    So there is no hierarchy amongst religious leaders say in Iran. There is no pecking order? No chain of command so to speak? They all have the same power?

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    Re: Saudi judge upholds man's marriage to 8-year-old

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    Of course it is the truth. But what is the point of posting things like that again and again, if it is not to demonize Islam?
    I think that is purely their intent. There are many religions where situations like this have happened. I'm just thankful we have a secular government here in the USA. And I'm not sure where you are bub but I think you feel the same way about your government to some extent.

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    Re: Saudi judge upholds man's marriage to 8-year-old

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    The pope is at the top of christain hierarchy. He is not a prophet. Are you saying that a mufti or ayatollah are not religious leaders?


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    hi⋅er⋅ar⋅chy   /ˈhaɪəˌrɑrki, ˈhaɪrɑr-/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [hahy-uh-rahr-kee, hahy-rahr-] Show IPA
    –noun, plural -chies. 1. any system of persons or things ranked one above another.
    2. government by ecclesiastical rulers.
    3. the power or dominion of a hierarch.
    4. an organized body of ecclesiastical officials in successive ranks or orders: the Roman Catholic hierarchy.
    5. one of the three divisions of the angels, each made up of three orders, conceived as constituting a graded body.
    6. Also called celestial hierarchy. the collective body of angels.
    7. government by an elite group.
    8. Linguistics. the system of levels according to which a language is organized, as phonemic, morphemic, syntactic, or semantic.


    So there is no hierarchy amongst religious leaders say in Iran. There is no pecking order? No chain of command so to speak? They all have the same power?

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    Shi'ite Islam, by its very nature, is hierarchical. That is because it firmly believes in the divinity of the Prophet's lineage. It is complete bullsh*t, as is the idea of the Prophet wielding divinity of any kind, but that's the way it has been practiced for nearly 1400 years, and it has led to severe exploitation of the system by people like the Iranian/Iraqi/Bahrain/Saudi/Pakistani/North African Shi'ite Ayatollahs.

    Sunni Islam, Sufi Islam, the Druze, and basically every other sect in Islam is firmly against the concept of hierarchy. Hence, the very notion that Islam is an 'organized religion' is, by the religion's VERY NATURE, utter bullsh*t.

    I am not saying these muftis don't wield influence. They do, and the Muslim World is stuck in the 7th century precisely BECAUSE of that very fact.

    Nevertheless, lumping 'ayatollahs and muftis' together like you have done for several posts now is utterly ludicrous. They are not alike at all, and anyone with a basic knowledge of Islam would know that. Hence, your attacks are invalid.
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    Re: Saudi judge upholds man's marriage to 8-year-old

    By bad, I guess I'll have to chauk this one up to ignorance on my part. Well you know what they say, live and learn.
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    Re: Saudi judge upholds man's marriage to 8-year-old

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    What if she hits puberty at the age of 9 as Aisha did when Muhammad consumated that marriage. Are you ok with that? More importantly as a society should this be allowed? Garza would you consider marriage to an 8 year old? Or like most of the civilized world would you find the thought of having sex with a little girl repulsive and disgusting?
    Like I said I don't condone it, I find it terrible. You have to understand that most of the world isn't civilised. It happens in many parts of the world unfortunately. I think it has to do with poverty and low life expectancy rate, rather than religion.

    If Muslim people in Europe were getting married to 8 years olds, then I might agree with you that Islam promotes marriage to children. But I don't see that.
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    Re: Saudi judge upholds man's marriage to 8-year-old

    Quote Originally Posted by sazerac View Post
    It's not a religion. It's a child rape cult.
    Ahem. If Islam is a child rape cult so is Christainity. Those randy priests/pastors/ministers.

    You will also find that having sex with children is not prohibited in the Bible.

    Don't get mad at me sazerac, im just using your logic.
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    Re: Saudi judge upholds man's marriage to 8-year-old

    Quote Originally Posted by GarzaUK View Post
    Ahem. If Islam is a child rape cult so is Christainity. Those randy priests/pastors/ministers.

    You will also find that having sex with children is not prohibited in the Bible.

    Don't get mad at me sazerac, im just using your logic.
    But at the same time, I don't know of any biblical character who boinked a nine year old. Muslims are taught to emulate Mohammed, who boinked a nine year old girl.

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