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StandUpChuck said:
Who abolished slavery first? The Americans? Spanish? British? Serious question, as I don't know the answer. I figure it makes a bit of a difference.
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Slavery can be traced back to ancient Egypt. Tough call on who abolished it first.
 
jallman said:
Again, you need to learn what a straw man is.
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A straw man argument is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.

Which you have done.

You lose again.
 
Blackdog said:
No you do.

His comment was about slavery in the Americas, nothing else.

Again nice strawman.
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Again...we can talk about the evils of slavery as long as we don't get too deep into the conversation because then we would have to acknowledge the ugly little truth that the Africans were selling other Africans...that slavery in America wouldn't have been so prolific had it not been for Africans selling their own people for a profit.

And you still need to learn what a straw man is.
 
Blackdog said:
A straw man argument is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.

Which you have done.

You lose again.
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Oh no, I have interpreted you exactly as you have presented yourself: it's okay to talk about slavery as long as we leave out the dirty little secret that it was enabled by Africans themselves.

Your dishonesty and commitment to framing the discussion in a convenient way for you are astounding.
 
EgoffTib said:
I would WANT to educate them. What are you missing? I also WANT to end world hunger and I WANT a cure for AIDS. That hardly makes it feasible.
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Truthfullness is always a better way, EgoffTib. We all want those things. It doesn't make it so by just saying we would do something when chances are, we couldn't, wouldn't or mightn't. Sure it feels good to say it, but you have to be realistic.
 
jallman said:
Again...we can talk about the evils of slavery as long as we don't get too deep into the conversation because then we would have to acknowledge the ugly little truth that the Africans were selling other Africans...that slavery in America wouldn't have been so prolific had it not been for Africans selling their own people for a profit.

And you still need to learn what a straw man is.
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#1 We are not talking about the evils of slavery.
#2 We are talking about the affects of slavery in America.
#3 Africa has little or nothing to do with this converstaion and your comments are fallacy at best.

If you want to talk avout slavery in the Africa, cool. This debate has nothing at all to do with it and is again nothing but fallacy at it's best.
 
StandUpChuck said:
Truthfullness is always a better way, EgoffTib. We all want those things. It doesn't make it so by just saying we would do something when chances are, we couldn't, wouldn't or mightn't. Sure it feels good to say it, but you have to be realistic.
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Be realistic? We were talking about traveling through time! :doh
 
GottaHurt said:
Slavery can be traced back to ancient Egypt. Tough call on who abolished it first.
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Well, I was talking about enslaving Africans. But that makes me think maybe I should seek reparations from the Egyptian Gov't for enslaving my people. I've got my eyes on some sweet little Nefertari earrings.
 
EgoffTib said:
Okay, Jall. Whatever makes you feel good. Interesting that other posters understood me, though. :shrug:
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No, it's not interesting at all that you and blackdog lamprey to each other's posts, pretending to understand one another's dishonesty. You are the two elements of this society that need each other: 1 to remind everyone of something that happened before he was even born and 1 to display a false sense of guilt over what others did before any of us were born.

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EgoffTib said:
Be realistic? We were talking about traveling through time! :doh
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Well, that's what everyone was saying. But the whole "I would educate them" just smacks of arrogance and naivete. I made my point. :2wave:
 
Why all the fuss about slavery of the past? How about going after the slavers of today? It still occurs in Africa, and more than a few Arab countries import labor and treat them like slaves.
 
Blackdog said:
#1 We are not talking about the evils of slavery.
#2 We are talking about the affects of slavery in America.
#3 Africa has little or nothing to do with this converstaion and your comments are fallacy at best.

If you want to talk avout slavery in the Africa, cool. This debate has nothing at all to do with it and is again nothing but fallacy at it's best.
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Oh hell no. You bandied out the little slavery argument, now you're knee deep in it.

You don't get to pick and choose the desirable parts that you think support your feeble attempt at an argument here.
 
Blackdog said:
#1 We are not talking about the evils of slavery.
#2 We are talking about the affects of slavery in America.
#3 Africa has little or nothing to do with this converstaion and your comments are fallacy at best.

If you want to talk avout slavery in the Africa, cool. This debate has nothing at all to do with it and is again nothing but fallacy at it's best.
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#1 If we are talking about laying blame then yes, the origins of slavery are RELEVANT.

#2 The affects of slavery in America are not unique to America alone.

#3 If African Americans and slaves from Africa are at the center of the conversation, then Africa has EVERYTHING to do with this conversation.

You can throw the word fallacy around all you like but you are only proving you don't know what fallacy means, either.
 
StandUpChuck said:
Well, that's what everyone was saying. But the whole "I would educate them" just smacks of arrogance and naivete. I made my point. :2wave:
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Jesus Christ, your reading comprehension is horrendous. I did not say "I would educate them". I said I would "want to educate them." Once you grasp this, it will all make sense.
 
GottaHurt said:
Oh hell no. You bandied out the little slavery argument, now you're knee deep in it.

You don't get to pick and choose the desirable parts that you think support your feeble attempt at an argument here.
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Hey moron go back and read everything I said. If you can point out someplace I mentioned the evils of slavery or slavery in other than the US you mite have a point.

But you dont.
 
EgoffTib said:
Jesus Christ, your reading comprehension is horrendous....

...Once you grasp this, it will all make sense.
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Oh yes...because egofftib always makes perfect sense...it's just everyone else who fails to comprehend his babble. :roll:
 
jallman said:
No, it's not interesting at all that you and blackdog lamprey to each other's posts, pretending to understand one another's dishonesty. You are the two elements of this society that need each other: 1 to remind everyone of something that happened before he was even born and 1 to display a false sense of guilt over what others did before any of us were born.
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We have similar points of view, so it makes sense that we would understand where the other is coming from. I'm sorry this perturbs you. :lol:
 
jallman said:
Oh yes...because egofftib always makes perfect sense...it's just everyone else who fails to comprehend his babble. :roll:
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No, I just get annoyed when people misquote me multiple times. I'm sure you would, too.
 
EgoffTib said:
We have similar points of view, so it makes sense that we would understand where the other is coming from. I'm sorry this perturbs you. :lol:
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There is no reason to be perturbed over similar sized intellects banding together in their ignorance.
 
jallman said:
#1 If we are talking about laying blame then yes, the origins of slavery are RELEVANT.
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No they are not relevant to the racial problems in modern America.

jallman said:
#2 The affects of slavery in America are not unique to America alone.
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Please read that statement back to yourself. :lol:

jallman said:
#3 If African Americans and slaves from Africa are at the center of the conversation, then Africa has EVERYTHING to do with this conversation.
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No it does not. Slaves were brought from Africa and that is were the American story begins as far as the society of modern blacks and our problems today.

jallman said:
#You can throw the word fallacy around all you like but you are only proving you don't know what fallacy means, either.
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:rofl
 
EgoffTib said:
I would not want to kill them, I would want to educate them.
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It would be a waste of time, the culture of the day accepted it. We, as a nation, have progressed but some here still live in the past, mostly a past that they have not experienced.
Eventually the older racists will die off, but new ones will take their place to some extent. Why does that happen? One reason is people fanning the flames of every incident, making race an issue where it really isn't.
You point a gun at a cop, and he shoots you, tough beans, bubba.
Being that stupid has a tendency to be fatal, eventually...
 
Blackdog said:
Hey moron go back and read everything I said. If you can point out someplace I mentioned the evils of slavery or slavery in other than the US you mite have a point.

But you dont.
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Ironic huh, you call me a moron, then come up with the ghetto spelling of might. :doh

Slavery didn't originate in America. You breached the subject, so now it is open for debate. No strawman, no fallacy.

So, the discussion is: How black people railroaded other black people by selling them into slavery to the highest bidder. :2wave:
 
Blackdog said:
No they are not relevant to the racial problems in modern America.



Please read that statement back to yourself. :lol:



No it does not. Slaves were brought from Africa and that is were the American story begins as far as the society of modern blacks and our problems today.



:rofl
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This is the point where I just walk away because I have no interest in holding special ed classes for the willfully dishonest and ignorant.
 
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