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    Re: US Navy surrounds pirates as French commandos storm in

    I think Israel has some experience with rescuing hostages in Africa. Who knows if Obama sucks up to them enough maybe they will do it for us.
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    Re: US Navy surrounds pirates as French commandos storm in

    Quote Originally Posted by partier9 View Post
    I think Israel has some experience with rescuing hostages in Africa. Who knows if Obama sucks up to them enough maybe they will do it for us.
    Hmmm.....here's an idea: Tell the Israelis we'll let them bomb Iran's nuclear reactors if they'll pitch in against the Somali pirates.

    A win-win solution, I would say.

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    Re: US Navy surrounds pirates as French commandos storm in

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Hardly. The pirates are surrounded and in a lifeboat.

    Send in a SEAL team to put a very small limpet mine on the bottom of the boat, blow the bottom out, pick up the captain, leave the pirates for the sharks.
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    Re: US Navy surrounds pirates as French commandos storm in

    Quote Originally Posted by partier9 View Post
    I think Israel has some experience with rescuing hostages in Africa. Who knows if Obama sucks up to them enough maybe they will do it for us.
    As I understand it, those were land operations. Sea based operations are quite a different animal.
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    Re: US Navy surrounds pirates as French commandos storm in

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    Sounds rather like the Bush Doctrine of preemptive warfare. I like that!

    Yeah....only thing is that if we stick to this analogy.... Bush would have probably walked into Jamaica, Queens looking for black guys on skidos.
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    Re: US Navy surrounds pirates as French commandos storm in

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    [I]Life is a little bit more complicated then a ****ty 1990s movie.
    Actually, that sort of operation would be in keeping with tactics used by the Naval Special Warfare Development Group (aka, "SEAL Team Six").

    Even civilian SWAT teams use explosive and incendiary devices to stun and incapacitate criminals holding hostages.

    A boat which is suddenly sinking would be a huge distraction to all on board--exactly the sort of distraction that would allow Captain Phillips an opportunity to dive overboard again, only this time with US Navy personnel close at hand to get him to safety, or, alternatively, allow him to be pulled off the lifeboat.

    The complete logistics of such an exercise are indeed far more complicated than what I have described here. That does not make the tactical concept unsound.

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    Re: US Navy surrounds pirates as French commandos storm in

    From this article: BBC NEWS | Africa | US 'in talks' with Somali pirates

    A US military official said that early on Saturday the four pirates in the lifeboat, who are believed to be armed with pistols and AK-47 assault rifles, fired a few shots at a small navy vessel which had approached, possibly to conduct reconnaissance.

    No one was hurt and the navy vessel turned away, the official said, speaking to the Associated Press on condition of anonymity.

    No fire was returned, the official added, and he denied that the navy craft had been attempting a rescue attempt.
    seems like a botched rescue attempt.

    I think the pirates are keeping their distance.

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    Another vessel, sailing under the Turkish flag, escaped when its crew used water hoses to repel the pirates who had fired a rocket-propelled grenade into the captain's cabin.

    A piracy expert said the hijackings did not appear to be related to the attack on the Alabama Maersk.

    "This is just the Somali pirate machine in full flow," Graeme Gibbon-Brooks, founder of Dryad Maritime Intelligence Ltd, told AP.
    Note to Self: Piracy "experts" are complete morons.
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    Re: US Navy surrounds pirates as French commandos storm in

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    As I understand it, those were land operations. Sea based operations are quite a different animal.
    Not entirely. The challenge of securing a ship is similar to securing a building on land once the rescuing force is actually on board, with the same concerns: free fire zones, ability to preserve hostage lives, et cetera.

    In the case of Captain Richard Phillips and his captors, the challenge is that the craft itself is so small. There is no opportunity for a stealth insertion onto the craft, nor is there any getting around the fact that the pirates are literally right next to Captain Phillips. Any strike has to be of a sudden and disruptive nature, so that the the pirates will not have a chance to react before Captain Phillips has been extracted.

    Additionally, the lifeboat the pirates are on is designed to hold 20-30 people with sufficient rations on board for up to I believe two weeks. While "small" compared to other ocean going vessels, this craft is no small rowboat.

    This gives the parameters of a successful rescue operation:
    1. The operation must initiate with a sudden and overwhelming disruption that will "freeze" the pirates.
    2. The disruptive event must not completely destroy the lifeboat, as that would most likely kill Captain Phillips as well
    3. Captain Phillips needs to be quickly removed from the lifeboat--i.e., someone needs to literally pull him off the boat and get him away from the pirates.


    A small charge attached to the keel of the boat, designed to have enough explosive force to blow a hole in the hull without destroying the entire craft, would almost certainly have the desired disruptive effect. Captain Phillips would have to be identified and targeted ahead of time, with one or two personnel designated to literally pull him off the boat, or, if that's not possible, board the craft, grab the good Captain, and get off the craft ASAP.

    Once Captain Phillips had been removed, use a larger explosive charge to blow the boat to matchsticks, or just spray some 9mm small arms fire all over the vessel to put an end to the pirates. No real need to take them prisoner.

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    Re: US Navy surrounds pirates as French commandos storm in

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    Re: US Navy surrounds pirates as French commandos storm in

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    They are not terrorists, they are pirates. Get it right please.

    What game? Jeez. It's not Al Qaeda you know.

    What lessons? Let me make this very clear because some do not seem to understand the main problem.
    There is nothing Americans can do to Somalis that Somalis have not already done to themselves.
    For a country where anarchy and death has been a norm, it is not a deterrant.
    Especially seeing pirates face hangings, stonings and whippings. What can US do to scare them? Very little.


    Welll .... just came back from a holiday in Somaliland and i heard of no pirating until i stepped foot back in UK. Our media must suck.
    Well, whatever "ass kicking" the US Army wants to do. Keep it kindly away from North of Somalia. I like my country tyvm and would like to go back to how i left it o.O
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