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    Re: US Navy surrounds pirates as French commandos storm in

    We need to do some more serious and committed nation building on the horn of Africa.
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    Re: US Navy surrounds pirates as French commandos storm in

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    As long as the pirates are holding an American captain hostage, it would be moronic to try to "kick ass."
    Hardly. The pirates are surrounded and in a lifeboat.

    Send in a SEAL team to put a very small limpet mine on the bottom of the boat, blow the bottom out, pick up the captain, leave the pirates for the sharks.

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    Re: US Navy surrounds pirates as French commandos storm in

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    We need to do some more serious and committed nation building on the horn of Africa.
    We can start by preaching the virtue of the rule of law by crucifying the pirates in the old Roman fashion along the coastline.

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    Re: US Navy surrounds pirates as French commandos storm in

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Just because they have brown skin and are Muslims doesn't mean they're terrorists.
    did you miss the part where I said "and now pirates"? Can you point out the parts where I mentioned skin color and muslims, too?


    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    These people are common criminals who want money, not some grand politically-oriented concession from the US government.
    That makes 'em terrorists.

    Kill'em and be done with them, nobody that matters, like me, for instance, will miss 'em.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    If you're interested in deterrence, there are better ways to deter pirates than killing a little boat of pirates (and the hostage).
    You think maybe we should grab people not connected with the crime and kill them, too?

    No, I think we should just focus on killing the terrorists and whatever it is you mean by "criminals" and make piracy completely unprofitable.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    A permanent US Navy presence patrolling the coasts of Somalia would be much more effective.
    Oh, yeah, and Obamanoid demanding an expansion of permanent US presence overseas. Go figure.

    A better solution is to identify the nationality of the pirates and bill their nation the cost of the vessel and cargo that was lost or may have been lost by their citizens, and deduct it from the foreign aid money we're wasting on them, add it to the principal of their IMF loans, or, most effective, withdraw it from the swiss bank accounts of their national leaders.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    That wouldn't preclude negotiations in future hostage situations involving common criminals, similar to what we do in hostage situations on American soil. You can always arrest or kill them (or not, depending on the situation) once the hostages are freed.
    Negotiations are pointless if they know you're going to kill them afterwards. They won't negotiate. Therefore, just do what's necessary to kill them. If it's a ground based situation, perhaps it's possible to extract the hostages, but the primary goal should be the immediate deaths of the criminals.

    That's how kidnappers are deterred.

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    Re: US Navy surrounds pirates as French commandos storm in

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    We can start by preaching the virtue of the rule of law by crucifying the pirates in the old Roman fashion along the coastline.
    That's out of style.

    I think for the next three years every cargo-ship should have a small detachment of commandos. See how long piracy will last when the uncertainty of the International Response turns into the uncertainty of "if this ship will bite harder than us".
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    Re: US Navy surrounds pirates as French commandos storm in

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    That's out of style.
    Granted, it's a bit retro, but who's to say it wouldn't be an effective codicil to the premise "thou shalt not steal"?

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    Re: US Navy surrounds pirates as French commandos storm in

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Kill'em and be done with them, nobody that matters, like me, for instance, will miss 'em.
    Which would be fine and dandy, except they have a hostage.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar
    You think maybe we should grab people not connected with the crime and kill them, too?
    WHAT??! You support baby rape? That's disgusting.
    See, I can randomly make **** up too and attribute it to you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar
    Oh, yeah, and Obamanoid demanding an expansion of permanent US presence overseas. Go figure.
    A permanent US Navy presence off the coast of Somalia would be the most effective deterrent. You're an idiot if you don't recognize that fact.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar
    A better solution is to identify the nationality of the pirates and bill their nation the cost of the vessel and cargo that was lost or may have been lost by their citizens, and deduct it from the foreign aid money we're wasting on them, add it to the principal of their IMF loans, or, most effective, withdraw it from the swiss bank accounts of their national leaders.
    You're kidding, right? The pirates are almost certainly all Somali. And Somalia has no functioning national government, which is why piracy exists there in the first place.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar
    Negotiations are pointless if they know you're going to kill them afterwards. They won't negotiate.
    Depends on the situation. I'm not saying we need to always kill them once the hostages are freed; it depends on the situation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar
    Therefore, just do what's necessary to kill them. If it's a ground based situation, perhaps it's possible to extract the hostages, but the primary goal should be the immediate deaths of the criminals.

    That's how kidnappers are deterred.
    Do you favor the same policy when the criminals are white Americans? Do you think the FBI needs hostage negotiators at all? After all, they're just pussy appeasers, right?
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    Re: US Navy surrounds pirates as French commandos storm in

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    I think for the next three years every cargo-ship should have a small detachment of commandos. See how long piracy will last when the uncertainty of the International Response turns into the uncertainty of "if this ship will bite harder than us".
    Don't need commandos, just a half-dozen 40mm grenade launchers and a dozen or so RPGs per vessel. Blow their little dingies out of the water when they get too close.

    And a 55-gallon drum of chum to make sure the sharks come in to dispose of the pirates properly.

    Personally, I've wondered about acquiring an old cargo vessel and hiring it out as a charter for big game hunters. African safaris fetch a pretty penny....how much would a pirate hunting cruise fetch per person?

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    Re: US Navy surrounds pirates as French commandos storm in

    I suspect that with the development of the most recent warships arriving, one of them is escorting SEAL Team 6. Once the FBI is done exhausting themselves with negotiations and they feel the pirates may actually execute the hostage (which would be suicidal seeing that it is the only thing keeping them alive) Obama might grow a pair, issue the order and a night time helicopter borne raid will take place. I expect this whole issue to be resolved before Easter, the longer it goes on the more attractive it looks to target U.S vessels.
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    Re: US Navy surrounds pirates as French commandos storm in

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    As long as the pirates are holding an American captain hostage, it would be moronic to try to "kick ass."
    Then it looks like those moronic French have more balls than we do.
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