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Texas lawmaker: Asians should change their names to make them ‘easier for Americans t

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So americanwoman insults two ethnic groups after critisizing State Rep. Betty Brown (R) for doing the same thing. Then danarhea has an issue with the pronunciation of Palin. :doh

Truly a double shot of EPIC FAIL.


AGAIN- I was joking. She was not. There is a difference.

Because you don't seem to get it let me spell it out to you- Some ethnic names are hard to spell and pronounce. I pointed that out, in a joking manner. Representative Betty wants a group of people to actually change their names.

So tell me how it's insulting to point out two groups have names that are hard to say in a joking way and how that is comparable to a State Representative wanting people to actually change their names? I await your absolute ignoral of the difference.


Also Dana was talking about the names in Palin's family, not the actual Palin name. I assume that one probably just went over your head but if you still don't get it, I am sure Dana would be happy to explain it very s-l-o-w-l-y for you.
 
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Really Texas?
I hope they boo'ed her off stage. What a ****ing moron.
 
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AGAIN- I was joking. She was not. There is a difference.

Because you don't seem to get it let me spell it out to you- Some ethnic names are hard to spell and pronounce. I pointed that out, in a joking manner. Representative Betty wants a group of people to actually change their names.

So tell me how it's insulting to point out two groups have names that are hard to say in a joking way and how that is comparable to a State Representative wanting people to actually change their names? I await your absolute ignoral of the difference.


Also Dana was talking about the names in Palin's family, not the actual Palin name. I assume that one probably just went over your head but if you still don't get it, I am sure Dana would be happy to explain it very s-l-o-w-l-y for you.

You're just full of epic fail, as usual. You see where I bolded, and underlined for you. The part I highlighted from your post was in regard to last names.

See, right here:

"if we want to start talking about difficult last names"

See? Get it?

Here, this might help you:

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Try to follow along.
 
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You're just full of epic fail, as usual. You see where I bolded, and underlined for you. The part I highlighted from your post was in regard to last names.

See, right here:

"if we want to start talking about difficult last names"

See? Get it?

Here, this might help you:

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Try to follow along.

Besides the apparent trolling, I have no idea where you stand on this issue. Until then I will just consider your attack on Dan and the OP as a defense of this Representative.
 
Re: Texas lawmaker: Asians should change their names to make them ‘easier for America

You're just full of epic fail, as usual. You see where I bolded, and underlined for you. The part I highlighted from your post was in regard to last names.

See, right here:

"if we want to start talking about difficult last names"

See? Get it?

Here, this might help you:

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Try to follow along.

OK, you are right, and I am wrong, and to show you that I am serious about this, I will prove it by naming my next kid Toaster Oven. :mrgreen:
 
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Besides the apparent trolling, I have no idea where you stand on this issue.

Awww, how cute, you've got your wannabe mod application all filled out and ready to go

Until then I will just consider your attack on Dan and the OP as a defense of this Representative.

I made no attack, I merely pointed out the irony in several ill thought out posts.

There's no need to defend State Rep. Betty Brown (R), she was spot on in her suggestion. The language barrier is one of the most difficult barriers to overcome when assimilating immigrants into any country.

To have open dialogue like this is very saavy and should be encouraged, as opposed to being chastised by the politically correct douchebags who somehow think this is an insult.

Look throughout the history of our country, and you'll see a plethora of immigrants who changed their names whether out of convenience, to escape a stigma attatched to their ethnic group at a particular point in time, to propel their careers, or any number of other reasons.

The documentation process is well known for immgrants assimilating into our country, to help simplify the process and overcome the language barrier by suggesting to alter ones name is a common sense and cost effective approach.
 
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I made no attack, I merely pointed out the irony in several ill thought out posts.

There's no need to defend State Rep. Betty Brown (R), she was spot on in her suggestion. The language barrier is one of the most difficult barriers to overcome when assimilating immigrants into any country.

To have open dialogue like this is very saavy and should be encouraged, as opposed to being chastised by the politically correct douchebags who somehow think this is an insult.

Look throughout the history of our country, and you'll see a plethora of immigrants who changed their names whether out of convenience, to escape a stigma attatched to their ethnic group at a particular point in time, to propel their careers, or any number of other reasons. A culture that values being uneducated and sheltered over for once in their insignificant lives being educated. It's funny how Republicans love to say that Democrats are supportive of poverty and people who don't want to better themselves and then with the same face adopt the same stance only instead of doing it for inner city minorities they do it with backwood rednecks.

The documentation process is well known for immgrants assimilating into our country, to help simplify the process and overcome the language barrier by suggesting to alter ones name is a common sense and cost effective approach.

Do you think that learning somebody's name is the same as having them learn a language? Seriously....? I mean...it's a name....you're not being forced to learn Tamil or Chinese. Seriously. This old lady is representative of backwoods stupidity that is so prevalent in America. Happy with simpleton interpretations of a 21st century world. It's funny how Republicans love to attack Democrats for their support of innercity poverty programs and call it support for people who don't want to better themselves and then with the same face support the very same thing only for backwood rednecks. No no! Learning a person's name is like learning their language! We can't have that! It's funny how Republicans & Conservatives support a culture of stupidity and people who don't want to educated themselves and then attack Democrats for doing the same thing only with people in the cities.
 
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What group of people did I decide to tarnish?

Then what were you trying to imply with your statement?

Are you insinuating that the rabidly anti-illegal immigration also tend to be associated with those who have ridiculously simpleton ideas about language?I asked a simple question

It looked my like you were trying to use guilt by association to slander a whole group. "Looky here, she cain't pronounces one thems thar chYneese names, I bet shes one of thems anti-illegal immigration people."
 
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Look throughout the history of our country, and you'll see a plethora of immigrants who changed their names whether out of convenience, to escape a stigma attatched to their ethnic group at a particular point in time, to propel their careers, or any number of other reasons.

They did that **** to cater to racist and people who didn't trust foreigners. Catering to racist by changing your name so they'll accept you is just as bad as changing the words you use to cater to the pc retards so they'll accept you.

The documentation process is well known for immgrants assimilating into our country, to help simplify the process and overcome the language barrier by suggesting to alter ones name is a common sense and cost effective approach.
This isn't the 1950s and before. You can't get fired or turned down for a job because your name sounds foreign. This is not a language issue because as far as I know these people write their names out with the english alphabet when submitting a job application form,when applying for a diver's license.Who cares if someone can't pronounce someone's name correctly,if they feel that bad about not being able to correctly pronounce someone's name correctly then ask the person who to correctly pronounce their name.
 
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I think people should worry more about making Americans of Hispanic descent learn English than Asian's names.

Why should I have to read Spanish only signs in America. (Down in SoCal)
 
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Another nail in your conservative coffin. Did you pick on a liberal, no. Did you pick on a moderate, no. There is a pattern here whether you like it or not, Bush will be next no doubt.

Palin has nothing to do with this btw.

I adore Sarah Palin, and I think kids should be off limits. However, that was a pretty funny line by Danarhea considering her kids' names are a bit wacky.

I don't think people need to change their names to suit Americans. I learned on my grandfather's death bed that his name really wasn't John. He had Americanized his Italian name at Ellis Island many years ago. He had such a beautiful name, too. :(
 
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They did that **** to cater to racist and people who didn't trust foreigners. Catering to racist by changing your name so they'll accept you is just as bad as changing the words you use to cater to the pc retards so they'll accept you.

Really? That's an interesting theory you have whipped up there.

I'm sure Bill Clinton, Gerald Ford, Gary Hart, Ulysses Grant and Caryn Johnson
(Whoopi Goldberg) would love to hear more about your theory.

Famous Name Changes - Politicians

It's not about catering to anyone's whims based on racist attitudes. It's about assimilating into a new country and simplifying the language/spelling barriers associated with translations. That's not to say that some folks haven't changed their names based on a stigma that might or might not be attatched to it..

Please feel free to peruse through the above linked site and see how many folks from all races have changed their names, for the various reasons I previously listed.

This isn't the 1950s and before. You can't get fired or turned down for a job because your name sounds foreign. This is not a language issue because as far as I know these people write their names out with the english alphabet when submitting a job application form,when applying for a diver's license.Who cares if someone can't pronounce someone's name correctly,if they feel that bad about not being able to correctly pronounce someone's name correctly then ask the person who to correctly pronounce their name.

I'm not talking about pronunciation. The object of the name change is to simplify the spelling, thus creating less chance of error when filling out/copying/reading documents.
 
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I adore Sarah Palin, and I think kids should be off limits. However, that was a pretty funny line by Danarhea considering her kids' names are a bit wacky.

I don't think people need to change their names to suit Americans. I learned on my grandfather's death bed that his name really wasn't John. He had Americanized his Italian name at Ellis Island many years ago. He had such a beautiful name, too. :(

My great grandfather changed our surname when he immigrated here, he shortened it. There's many stories as to why, but I'm thankful that I've got the condensed version.
 
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Awww, how cute, you've got your wannabe mod application all filled out and ready to go
I've already been a mod, k thx. And no I am not in any mood to do it again, k thx.
 
Re: Texas lawmaker: Asians should change their names to make them ‘easier for America

Despite the bigoted stance of the Texas law maker, his request is already happening. Most Chinese who immigrate outside of China end up changing their names to conform with local language. Even here in China, all Chinese people I've met who have studied English have an English name as well as a Chinese one. They introduce themselves with the English name to English speakers, and the Chinese name to those who can understand.

As for their last name... it's their ancestry and they will never change it no matter what, except in marriage of course.
 
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Think Progress Texas lawmaker: Asians should change their names to make them ‘easier for Americans to deal with.’



What an idiot!!

I love it that the Chinese-American she was talking to was named 'Ko'. Because that name is so damn difficult to pronounce. :lol:
But for real, if we want to start talking about difficult last names, start with the Polish or Indian ones. I talked to an Indian lady last week who had about 15 letters in her last name.

Actually, the name "Ko" is commonly mis-pronounced.

My last name is French. Very few Americans can pronounce it. Perhaps I should change my name to make this little racist a little happier?
 
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My great grandfather changed our surname when he immigrated here, he shortened it. There's many stories as to why, but I'm thankful that I've got the condensed version.

And I am glad my great grandparents DID NOT modify their French last name when they immigrated to New Hampshire from Quebec. I don't care that others can't pronounce it very well. My students have always simply referred to me as Mr. L. I have no problem with that. My surname is a link with a great heritage I am proud to have while being proud to be American at the same time.
 
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And I am glad my great grandparents DID NOT modify their French last name when they immigrated to New Hampshire from Quebec. I don't care that others can't pronounce it very well. My students have always simply referred to me as Mr. L. I have no problem with that. My surname is a link with a great heritage I am proud to have while being proud to be American at the same time.

Outstanding. You should be proud of your heritage, we all should. The issue is being able to have this type of dialogue without it being labled as racist or dismissed simply because some people find it not to be politically correct.

As I've pointed out several times in this thread, people change their names for various reasons, and bringing up that point through suggestion, doesn't make one a racist, a moron, or an idiot.
 
Re: Texas lawmaker: Asians should change their names to make them ‘easier for America

Really? That's an interesting theory you have whipped up there.

I'm sure Bill Clinton, Gerald Ford, Gary Hart, Ulysses Grant and Caryn Johnson
(Whoopi Goldberg) would love to hear more about your theory.

Famous Name Changes - Politicians

It's not about catering to anyone's whims based on racist attitudes. It's about assimilating into a new country and simplifying the language/spelling barriers associated with translations. That's not to say that some folks haven't changed their names based on a stigma that might or might not be attatched to it..

Please feel free to peruse through the above linked site and see how many folks from all races have changed their names, for the various reasons I previously listed.

I imagined some of those people changed their names because they disliked or are embarrassed by their name they were given when they were born, they did it because they felt it might help them achieve some fame or goal(Malcom X does sound better than Malcolm little) and some changed their last name as a gesture to their step father. However the people you listed are not immigrants.


I'm not talking about pronunciation. The object of the name change is to simplify the spelling, thus creating less chance of error when filling out/copying/reading documents.

If someone messes up the spelling then that is on the individual who misspelled the name not the person whose last name was misspelled.
 
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Outstanding. You should be proud of your heritage, we all should. The issue is being able to have this type of dialogue without it being labled as racist or dismissed simply because some people find it not to be politically correct.

As I've pointed out several times in this thread, people change their names for various reasons, and bringing up that point through suggestion, doesn't make one a racist, a moron, or an idiot.

Problem with me is she called out Chinese-Americans. It should be none of the Fed's business what people's last names are.

I find many Euro-Centric last names hard to pronounce. The problem is not with the last name it's with the speaker's ignorance of how to.

For the past 4 collegiate basketball seasons I witnessed commentator after commentator butcher Tyler Hansbroughs' last name. (It's not Hans borough, it's Hans brough).

Should we suggest that he changes his last name?


The claims may not be racist, ignorant, or stupid, but they do not "behoove" or need discussion in the House of Representatives.
 
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Hihih.. Ko means cow in Danish...

But on a serious side, what a moron. The hardest names to pronounce for "westerners" are actually Eastern European names.... like Bligovaic..or whatever that guys name is.
 
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My spouse has been to graduate school and worked with too many Asians to count and many of them adopt "American" (or at least Western) names voluntarily because it's just easier. I guess they're racists, too.
 
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I imagined some of those people changed their names because they disliked or are embarrassed by their name they were given when they were born, they did it because they felt it might help them achieve some fame or goal(Malcom X does sound better than Malcolm little) and some changed their last name as a gesture to their step father. However the people you listed are not immigrants.


If someone messes up the spelling then that is on the individual who misspelled the name not the person whose last name was misspelled.

Actually, we're all immigrants, even the "native americans" migrated here.
 
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My spouse has been to graduate school and worked with too many Asians to count and many of them adopt "American" (or at least Western) names voluntarily because it's just easier. I guess they're racists, too.

No. They are practical people who see that having an easier name to spell and pronounce can help them in a new country. People shorten their names or change their names all the time or allow people to pronounce the name wrong out of practical reasons and have done so for hundreds of years. Now this practical reason can have sinister aspects, such as hiding from the law, or even worse.. hiding because of religious or ethnic persecution. Many Jews in the US and Europe changed their names to more "Christian" sounding names so to blend in better and not stick out like a sore thumb. This goes for eastern Europeans, Spanish, Italians and so on.. you do know that Jay Leno is not his real last name right.. that his family changed it long ago to blend in better in the US?

I will give you a real life example.. my self. My first name Peder, an old Danish name in part coming from Poland, Baltic states area I believe... Now for a dane it is pretty easy to pronounce correctly, but for an anglo-saxon person it is damn hard if not impossible. Hence I have accepted long ago that people call me Peter and even in Spain I accept people call me Pedro as it makes my life easier.. but my name is still Peder and that is what it states on my birth certificate and passport. Now if a politician had come up to me and said.. why dont you change your name officaly to Peter, then I would have been insulted big time regardless of political colour of the person and told him to mind his own business.

Now what this politician did was very wrong, and frankly a bit (that is saying it mildly) racist. And since the politician is suppose to come from the political party that according to it self sees everyone as equal regardless of colour, religion or sex and the protector of personal freedoms and defender of liberty, then I also find it extremely hypocritical that this politician is telling others what to do about their names..... what is next... telling lefties that it is the devils work and they should be forced to use their right hands?
 
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Outstanding. You should be proud of your heritage, we all should. The issue is being able to have this type of dialogue without it being labled as racist or dismissed simply because some people find it not to be politically correct.

As I've pointed out several times in this thread, people change their names for various reasons, and bringing up that point through suggestion, doesn't make one a racist, a moron, or an idiot.

The way this was presented is racist. There is no reason at all for people to change their surnames because some culturally illiterate WASP can't pronounce it.
 
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