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Obama declines comment on US hostage crisis off Somalia

WillRockwell said:
Yeh, the same nonsensical ideological crap you always spout, "Rev". As if you possessed enough insight to second guess the White House. I'm sure your Taliban friends appreciate your zeal in working to bring down the infidel president. Keep up the good work.
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Are you alleging that the Rev is committing treason? :shock:
 
GottaHurt said:
You've proven nothing but a few incidents. Your statement was:
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And I provided the list of Somali pirating incidents with the demands. All of them have been about money. None political reasons. Do you want to try this again? A few incidents? Please read the source.

Again, prove it. You can't, so it goes back to you and your uncontrollable outbursts void of any actual facts.
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Prove that they do have political goals.

[quote[Sure, I love watching you flounder.

Well, the piracy is going on and according to your earlier statement:

You seem to have some serious internal conflict with yourself over this issue.

Please feel free to take a minute to sort out the The John Kerry Syndrome® that you're obviously afflicted with.[/quote]

Can you prove that the pirates in question do have political goals? If not then please stfu already. I'm tired of your silly Floridiot attacks. :)
 
Laila said:
Why so surprising? :confused:
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I want the piracy to stop now. [Not that i care for the ships]

They went from doing what i saw as right to being greedy as hell ... besides, it is affecting Somaliland in a very negative way and that is a no-no for me and enough for me to support anything to stop the pirates atm.
 
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Laila said:
I want the piracy to stop now. [Not that i care for the ships]

They went from doing what i saw as right to being greedy as hell ... besides, it is affecting Somaliland in a very negative way and that is a no-no for me and enough for me to support anything to stop the pirates atm.
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How in the world could you call what they do "right?" Please explain.
 
Hatuey said:
And I provided the list of Somali pirating incidents with the demands. All of them have been about money. None political reasons. Do you want to try this again? A few incidents? Please read the source.
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You've proven nothing in regard to this statement you made here:

Pirates have no political goals.
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Hatuey said:
Prove that they do have political goals.
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The onus is on you to substantiate your bold claim. Try again.

Hatuey said:
Can you prove that the pirates in question do have political goals?
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Again, the onus is on you. I love watching you flounder.

Hatuey said:
If not then please stfu already. I'm tired of your silly Floridiot attacks. :)
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Translation:

You can't substantiate your bold claim, so you have yet another uncontrollable outburst, to try and deflect attention away from your feeble attempt to save face here.
 
BulletWounD said:
How in the world could you call what they do "right?" Please explain.
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At the beginning, they hijacked ships that entered Somali waters and demanded ransom [and rightly so] as many of them would have been illegally fishing or dumping or having that intention.

Now they go into hostage taking with the threat of death ... not good.

I don't mean to sound like someone who cares for the ships, i really don't. I care for Somaliland.
 
Zyphlin said:
Yes, words do have meanings. And no surprise, when the word with the correect meaning is used and doesn't agree with what you want to rant, rave, and be your typical hyper partisan hysterical irrevelant self about you decide that a different word is fitting.
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The correct meaning because you say it is the correct meaning? The only people ranting here are the typical DP trolls and baiters like you who instead of having a coherent debate play the tired old bash the poster game with your tired banal claims of “hyper partisan hysterical irrelevance.” Good lord, get a new game already.

You appear desperate to be the dear leader of baiting trolls. What fascinating selective outrage you have dear leader.

Zyphlin said:
People are calling these Somali's pirates because that's the word that best suites them. Only hacks trying to turn this into a typical bull**** escapade which is so typical of your kind of bottom feeders of political discourse are trying to label them as "terrorists".
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The only bottom feeding going on here is you, the DP trolls dear leader, and the cabal of baiting trolls that infest this forum with incessant hyper partisan BS.


Zyphlin said:
Take your own advise. Words have meaning. These are not terrorists. Show any PROOF that these Somali Pirates have any ties that show they're raiding ships is to finance terrorist activities.
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I have a better idea, why don’t you show any proof where their activities are NOT?

I never made the claim that they are raiding ships to finance terrorist activities; I am setting forth the hypothesis that this is more than some small band of “pirates” just trying to make a living and that it quite possibly IS helping to finance a rogue regime.

I am suggesting that the efforts to call this “piracy” is merely an attempt to ignore the fact that the Somali Government is doing NOTHING to stop this terrorism and that bands of thugs riding around in small boats armed with AK-47s and RPGs is more than piracy, it is outright war on peaceful shipping and terrorism.

The definition of terrorism surely does fit and I posted it so that uniformed moderator trolls like you who go around thumping their chests in a campaign of lunacy about of “hyper partisan hysterical irrelevance” could properly comprehend its meaning. I see in your case it was for not.

The world will not solve this problem as long as they bury their heads in the sand and pretend this is not a BIGGER problem by calling this simply “piracy.” But alas, why the hell should you care to debate the merits of my arguments when you can play the dear leader of the trolls, thump your chest and spew your banal insults.

Carry on; your clown like baiting, selective outrage and attempts to be the dear leader of the forum trolls has been noted.
 
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Laila said:
At the beginning, they hijacked ships that entered Somali waters and demanded ransom [and rightly so] as many of them would have been illegally fishing or dumping or having that intention.
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I seriously doubt that considering a country's territorial waters only extend 12 miles from the coast. The horizon is about 60 miles out which means just because you see a ship doesn't mean they have violated your territory. In the case of fishing, it's possible that the fishermen are violating Somalia's EEZ, in which case the correct response is to escort the boat away, not hold it for ransom.

Now they go into hostage taking with the threat of death ... not good.
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The threat of death has been implied since the beginning.

I don't mean to sound like someone who cares for the ships, i really don't. I care for Somaliland.
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So you don't care about the crew or property rights?
 
donc said:

(willing suspension of disbelief) :shock:



What government? Hey, were talking about Somalia here.
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Well they have a web site.

I wonder if they have a link to viagra on it? And Nigerian lotto winnings?
 
MrVicchio said:
I didn't rush to judgment. I looked at what evidence we had, and made a call. It was the wrong one, and I admit it. I have the BALLS to make a call, based on information before me, not wait till it's all over then roll in on the bandwagon.
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Holy hell is that what it's called now? Having "the balls to make a call?" Sweet mother of baby Jesus, all itty bitty and wrapped in a blanket. Bull****, this was you riding the "anti-Obama at all costs" bandwagon and posting a bunch of nonsense based upon your over active partisan gland. It's a good thing you admitted you were wrong...sort of. "I was wrong, but don't you DARE say anything to me...cause I admitted it, and therefore I am immune from criticism."
People like you live just to call others out when they are wrong in opposing things you support, and ignore when others are right about YOUR being wrong.
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You keep telling yourself that, and maybe once in a while jump up and actually prove me wrong. Then let's see how that plays out.
And I get labeled the hyper-partisan? Seriously?
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Yes. You do, and this thread is a very good example of why you get that label.
 
Lerxst said:
Holy hell is that what it's called now? Having "the balls to make a call?" Sweet mother of baby Jesus, all itty bitty and wrapped in a blanket. Bull****, this was you riding the "anti-Obama at all costs" bandwagon and posting a bunch of nonsense based upon your over active partisan gland. It's a good thing you admitted you were wrong...sort of. "I was wrong, but don't you DARE say anything to me...cause I admitted it, and therefore I am immune from criticism."

You keep telling yourself that, and maybe once in a while jump up and actually prove me wrong. Then let's see how that plays out.

Yes. You do, and this thread is a very good example of why you get that label.
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No no. Come on now! How dare you doubt that the turnout of the situation is the only outcome that MrVicchio wasn't planning on. Here is how you can bet your house he would have reacted if this thing had turned out any other way :

1. The hostage gets killed :

- MrVicchio along with Rev, TD, American, GottaHurt, Navy Pride, Aquapub etc etc all post around 10,000 threads with the same names about how Obama was too irrational in using force and getting a hostage killed.

2. Obama negotiates :

- MrVicchio along with Rev, TD, American, GottaHurt, Navy Pride, Aquapub etc etc all post around 100,000,000 threads with the same names about how Obama is making us look weak by negotiating with pirates.

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Do you really doubt that they weren't betting every dollar they have on this turning out any other way then the way it actually did? TD is still looking for something to complain about (see his rant on not wanting to call these guys pirates because they don't say Arg!') and Triad is still bitching about who knows what. I mean. I know some people just need something to bitch about. But the way this situation turned out and the responses I've seen from the current right wing headliners on this forum is indicative that Obama did something incredibly right.
 
GottaHurt said:
You GottaLove that. :doh

While everyone is getting technical over terminology, by definition, terrorist/terrorism and pirate/piracy are not even close.

Kidnap/kidnappers would be the appropriate terminology. They took a man by force and held him for ransom.

terrorism - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

piracy - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

kidnap - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary
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"They took a man by force and held him for ransom."

Exactly. A criminal act - and not a terrorist one.

Your definition of "piracy" from the Meriam Webster dictionary is pretty good, you should really have read it before you posted it. By my reading, you are stretching the definition of terrorism (most crime involves an element of terror) so does that make a paedophile a terrorist? or a bank robber using guns.. is he a terrorist too?

These guys committed the crime of piracy and of kidnap and got what they deserved. Calling them terrorists glorifies them above being lowlife scum who fell into crime.
 
Hatuey said:
No no. Come on now! How dare you doubt that the turnout of the situation is the only outcome that MrVicchio wasn't planning on. Here is how you can bet your house he would have reacted if this thing had turned out any other way :

1. The hostage gets killed :

- MrVicchio along with Rev, TD, American, GottaHurt, Navy Pride, Aquapub etc etc all post around 10,000 threads with the same names about how Obama was too irrational in using force and getting a hostage killed.

2. Obama negotiates :

- MrVicchio along with Rev, TD, American, GottaHurt, Navy Pride, Aquapub etc etc all post around 100,000,000 threads with the same names about how Obama is making us look weak by negotiating with pirates.

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Do you really doubt that they weren't betting every dollar they have on this turning out any other way then the way it actually did? TD is still looking for something to complain about (see his rant on not wanting to call these guys pirates because they don't say Arg!') and Triad is still bitching about who knows what. I mean. I know some people just need something to bitch about. But the way this situation turned out and the responses I've seen from the current right wing headliners on this forum is indicative that Obama did something incredibly right.
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Well, he did what most (hopefully all) presidents would have done. Insofar as he did the common sense thing and approved the use of force to save American lives in this specific situation, I'll give him credit for not being a complete nincompoop.
 
American said:
Oh, now Rev is an ignorant traitor. :confused: Keep going, you're really making an impression.
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if "Rev" persists in initiating threads with no purpose except to spread false accusations against the administration, you may count on me showing up to piss on his parade. I detect no fairness in his posts, no search for truth, no reasoned opposition....only the spin of naked right wing ideology.
We have enough enemies in the world today without a supposed "patriot" announcing that America should not support its president. If you cannot see the hypocrisy in this obstinate obstructionism, I will continue to remind you.
 
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Reverend_Hellh0und said:
ll you still be gloating out of your waste ejection port as usual?

As for an apology, please let me know when you start pounding sand and I will consider it.

What are you cackling about now? :lol:

do you have anything intelligent to say or are you simply trolling me now? Let me know, thanks!
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Dear Captain,
Are these not personal attacks, or do they not count because they come from a fellow partisan?
 
BulletWounD said:
In the case of fishing, it's possible that the fishermen are violating Somalia's EEZ, in which case the correct response is to escort the boat away, not hold it for ransom
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Pirates Seize Egyptian Fishing Boats In Somaliland Waters | SomalilandPress

Kill them is my instant response.
A nice hanging and send them back to their host country in a box.
But we might as well get some money from them whilst we are at it.

Go anywhere near our waters, you should be killed. End of conversation.

If an Iranian ship entered US waters, do you think US would be 'escorting it away' - In my dreams maybe.
 
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Hatuey said:
No no. Come on now! How dare you doubt that the turnout of the situation is the only outcome that MrVicchio wasn't planning on. Here is how you can bet your house he would have reacted if this thing had turned out any other way :

1. The hostage gets killed :

- MrVicchio along with Rev, TD, American, GottaHurt, Navy Pride, Aquapub etc etc all post around 10,000 threads with the same names about how Obama was too irrational in using force and getting a hostage killed.

2. Obama negotiates :

- MrVicchio along with Rev, TD, American, GottaHurt, Navy Pride, Aquapub etc etc all post around 100,000,000 threads with the same names about how Obama is making us look weak by negotiating with pirates.

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Do you really doubt that they weren't betting every dollar they have on this turning out any other way then the way it actually did? TD is still looking for something to complain about (see his rant on not wanting to call these guys pirates because they don't say Arg!') and Triad is still bitching about who knows what. I mean. I know some people just need something to bitch about. But the way this situation turned out and the responses I've seen from the current right wing headliners on this forum is indicative that Obama did something incredibly right.
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Gotta love posters with no integrity spinning lies to make themselves feel better.


please show some class. I have supported Obama when he does things that I agree with, and have critisized him when he has done things I do not support.


making up stories about me only demonstrates your hyper-partisan mindset. keep it up. :2wave:
 
Infinite Chaos said:
"They took a man by force and held him for ransom."

Exactly. A criminal act - and not a terrorist one.
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I never claimed it was a terrorist act.

Infinite Chaos said:
"Your definition of "piracy" from the Meriam Webster dictionary is pretty good, you should really have read it before you posted it.
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I did read it, and it's not my definition, it's Merriam-Websters.

Infinite Chaos said:
"By my reading, you are stretching the definition of terrorism (most crime involves an element of terror) so does that make a paedophile a terrorist? or a bank robber using guns.. is he a terrorist too?
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Your reading is obviously impaired. Once again, it's not my definition, nor did I stretch it. I posted a direct link to Merriam-Websters definition.

Pedophiles? Bank robbers? You're in the wrong thread. This thread is/was about a hostage situation off the coast of Somalia.

Infinite Chaos said:
"These guys committed the crime of piracy and of kidnap and got what they deserved. Calling them terrorists glorifies them above being lowlife scum who fell into crime.
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Again, show me where I called them terrorists. I'm the one who pointed out that:

GottaHurt said:
Kidnap/kidnappers would be the appropriate terminology. They took a man by force and held him for ransom.
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No doubt the focus group told Obama he better act like Bush on this one, or he'll look like a weinie.
 
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