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    Re: Obama declines comment on US hostage crisis off Somalia

    It is a matter of personal opinion, as I did state 'I think'

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    Re: Obama declines comment on US hostage crisis off Somalia

    Quote Originally Posted by lolly89123 View Post
    It is a matter of personal opinion, as I did state 'I think'
    Is there anything in particular you base this personal opinion on? Even with reading the articles, posted here, and other posters indicating that your opinion is not accurate?
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    Re: Obama declines comment on US hostage crisis off Somalia

    Quote Originally Posted by lolly89123 View Post
    I don't think they should rub your nose too hard, quit frankly I think Obama was literally out voted on this one and had no choice despite the fact he involved the FBI and tried to make it a world justice matter. Our Navy SEALS rock!!!
    Given the immediacy of the moment, it actually makes sense to involve FBI hostage negotiators. The FBI helped write and keep current the manual on how to negotiate with hostage takers. That is a particular expertise that the military does not have.

    In particular, hostage negotiators work to extend and prolong the situation. The longer it goes on the greater the possibility of the hostages being successfully extricated. The longer it goes on, the more the hostage takers have time to think about their situation, and for the stress of the situation to incent them to want to end the situation.

    Yes, Navy SEALs rock, but, in hindsight, there is no cause to criticize the involvement of FBI hostage negotiators. It is quite possible that had it not been for their efforts, the SEALs would not have had the opportunity to launch their rescue efforts.

    To reiterate, while there remain an abundance of reasons to oppose everything this President stands for, this hostage rescue success is not among them. Regardless of his policies or his politics, this one deservedly goes in the win column for him. To make snide remarks in the face of a success that speaks well of America overall only detracts from the very real and substantive reasons to remain staunchly opposed to this President's disastrous domestic and foreign policy moves to date.

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    Re: Obama declines comment on US hostage crisis off Somalia

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    I'm quite HAPPY to be wrong that Obama would not have allowed the military to use force to end this and free the Captain. I'm thankful to the Good Lord that it went down in a way that was bad for the pirates and good for us.

    Push came to shove, and Obama did the right thing. Good on for him.

    If you guys need to "rub my nose in it" to make yourselves feel big, by all means go right ahead. After all, emotions guide you, so it's only natural you are unable to contain such feelings. Let it out.
    Wait a minute. This is just too funny. You should have your nose rubbed in it, not because you were wrong, but because of how over the top you were in your condemnation of Obama without having a clue as to what would happen. Rather that hold your judgement until the crisis was resolved, you chose to play the role of Carnac the Magnificent because you just knew how this would end.

    Well, you do in fact deserve getting your nose rubbed in this. It has nothing to do with others making themselves feel big, it's about you. Maybe you will learn a lesson about rushing to judgment.
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    Re: Obama declines comment on US hostage crisis off Somalia

    Quote Originally Posted by lolly89123 View Post
    It is a matter of personal opinion, as I did state 'I think'
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    Re: Obama declines comment on US hostage crisis off Somalia

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Wait a minute. This is just too funny. You should have your nose rubbed in it, not because you were wrong, but because of how over the top you were in your condemnation of Obama without having a clue as to what would happen. Rather that hold your judgement until the crisis was resolved, you chose to play the role of Carnac the Magnificent because you just knew how this would end.

    Well, you do in fact deserve getting your nose rubbed in this. It has nothing to do with others making themselves feel big, it's about you. Maybe you will learn a lesson about rushing to judgment.
    I didn't rush to judgment. I looked at what evidence we had, and made a call. It was the wrong one, and I admit it. I have the BALLS to make a call, based on information before me, not wait till it's all over then roll in on the bandwagon.

    People like you live just to call others out when they are wrong in opposing things you support, and ignore when others are right about YOUR being wrong.


    And I get labeled the hyper-partisan? Seriously?
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    Re: Obama declines comment on US hostage crisis off Somalia

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Well, you do in fact deserve getting your nose rubbed in this.
    MrVicchio is not who this is about.

    The President gave the right order at the right time to the right people, and America got the right result because of it. MrVicchio has said as much, and went on to say he was glad to be wrong.

    That's not hyperpartisan....that's class.

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    Re: Obama declines comment on US hostage crisis off Somalia

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    MrVicchio is not who this is about.

    The President gave the right order at the right time to the right people, and America got the right result because of it. MrVicchio has said as much, and went on to say he was glad to be wrong.

    That's not hyperpartisan....that's class.
    Forgive those who have read MrVicchio's posts regarding this situation and some of his other posts regarding Obama in the last few months(like for example his citizenship) and don't buy it because they think he's full of ****. Seriously. It's a matter of the epic fail he along with a few others set themselves up for in such a hyper partisanship fashion.

    I almost feel like this thread has a very sweet irony to it. I mean all the bitching about Obama not going in public and telling Conservatives what they want to hear and then the head nigga pulls a Rambo on us all. I mean if I were constantly bitching about Obama and then he does exactly what I and all my MySpace Navy SEAL wannabe online buddies were screaming for him to do because well, we just want something to be partisan about then I too would have a pretty ****ing sour taste in mouth right about now.
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    Re: Obama declines comment on US hostage crisis off Somalia

    Look folks, let's not allow this to degenerate into who is and who is not hyperpartisan. This is, quite obviously, not the thread for that. When push came to shove, and the President acted, many of our resident conservatives, save one, supported and congratulated the President. Some even apologized and said they were wrong. This should be commended, not attacked.

    Some of you liberals complain and complain about conservative folks not supporting Obama over obvious issues, and then when they do, like here, you complain that it wasn't good enough. I go after some of our conservatives when they do this. So, I am going after you for the same thing. You folks are being hypocritical. It is very unbecoming. And, hyperpartisan in it's own right.
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    Re: Obama declines comment on US hostage crisis off Somalia

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Look folks, let's not allow this to degenerate into who is and who is not hyperpartisan. This is, quite obviously, not the thread for that. When push came to shove, and the President acted, many of our resident conservatives, save one, supported and congratulated the President. Some even apologized and said they were wrong. This should be commended, not attacked.

    Some of you liberals complain and complain about conservative folks not supporting Obama over obvious issues, and then when they do, like here, you complain that it wasn't good enough. I go after some of our conservatives when they do this. So, I am going after you for the same thing. You folks are being hypocritical. It is very unbecoming. And, hyperpartisan in it's own right.
    Uh dude....

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    Do you have a problem with this? There is a major international event unfolding and he remains silent? Personally, when every story and all the talk is about the pirates and the brave American captain who traded himself for the crew, one would think President Obama would at least address this international issue.
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    As I said in another thread, he's busy man. Don't bug him, it's all about housing today. And while we ignoring piracy on the high seas, let's scrap production on the F-22 so we can look really weak.
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    These are areas to espouse American values, good things, right here to discuss... but no Obama cannot comment.


    And why is that? Well duh, no one loaded the Teleprompter with answers so Obama had nothing to say
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    Jesus, the "unamerican" bs was annoying when liberals were doing it to conservatives for years. Now you're going to start chucking it back the other side? Why?

    I think this is a bad move from Obama. There are things that sometimes are more important to focus on. However, you multitask to pick your NCAA bracket, you multitask to go onto Leno, and this is all during the economic crisis.......and yet you can't give a statement on a situation where American property and people were taken hostage and the American military is involved?


    Pathetic.
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    Ah... The Obama displays -true- leadership.

    How much is he cutting from the USN budget?
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    It wasnt on the teleprompter. Simple as that.
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    You know that is likely right.
    Its very likely when he does finally comment that he will be reading it at us.

    I doubt he can use this as an excuse to read a speech about race relations at us but you never know.

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    As usual, Obama could have passed a national test and just said *something* relevant. Once again, he fails as a "great communicator." The crew took that ship back. They didn't need to wait for Rookie Obama to send anyone.

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    Obviously Obama was too busy celebrating Irans National Nuke Day.
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    Obama would have to authorize it, he hasn't and I'm betting will not allow the military to take the shot.
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    I feel so much safer now that we are the Community Organization of the United States who is now more willing to listen, talk and avoid armed confrontation. I am sure now that we have become kinder and gentler and admitted our former arrogance and renounced our Christian heritage, the despots, dictators, tyrants and terrorists of the world will now stop the violence and despicable human rights record and lay down their arms.

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    I agree, he dosn't have the balls that the 20 crew members of the Alabama had. He will negotiate and pay the ransom which will ensure continued hijacking of American ships.
    Let them ALL eat crow.
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