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    Re: Obama declines comment on US hostage crisis off Somalia

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    That's the only way out of this I see happening. Sad really, but what else can we expect?

    The Capt. tried to swim away, obviously the ship was close enough he thought he could pull it off, and the moment he hit the water there should have been bullets flying at that dingy. I'm betting they have "shoot back only" ROE in effect.

    If this man is taken to the mainland, the ONLY way to get him back sans boots on the ground will be $$ paid. And that's where this is headed.
    It's my understanding that the Capt. jumped off the lifeboat at midnight and the naval ship was a couple of hundred yards away, out of gun range of the pirates. I'm sure they did not fire because they couldn't see that well and were afraid of hitting the Capt. It probably happened pretty fast too.

    As far as Obama, he was too busy to worry about pirates. He was having a picnic with Hillary.


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    Re: Obama declines comment on US hostage crisis off Somalia

    Meanwhile, our Secretary of State finds time to giggle about the situation.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ii_c3B5AasI"]YouTube - Clinton: Piracy Is Funny -- Somalia Pirates Hold U.S. Captain[/ame]
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    Re: Obama declines comment on US hostage crisis off Somalia

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    By all means he should negotiate.

    The negotiation should be something like this:

    Option 1 - Don't release the hostage, in which case you'll be taken by force and hanged slowly.

    Option 2 - Release the hostage and surrender, in which case you'll be quickly and mercifully shot in the back of the head.

    Option 3 - Release the hostage and don't surrender, in which case you'll be shredded by the USS Bainbridge and her 5"/54 guns.
    This would be perfect; unfortunately, as the Community Organization of the United States, we will now listen to the terrorists issues and talk to them and let them know that we understand their grievances and will fund their agenda so that they may live in peaceful coexistence with the world.

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    Re: Obama declines comment on US hostage crisis off Somalia

    MrVicchio;1057987136]Based on what?

    I'm basing my outlook on Obama's actions to this point, you are basing yours on faith.
    You’re basing yours on Obamas action so far? Which is? He has, as the original post says been pretty mum on what action he endorsees, the only administration figure I have seen talking about it was Hillary.

    I just don't see Obama letting himself be cornered by a massacre (which is what it would be if the Navy used force to stop the pirates, they cannot withstand our military) and thus the bloodless way out is "negotiations".
    As for as a massacre; the Captains death would in my opinion be murder, the pirate’s death a call for a celebration, hardly a massacre.
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    Re: Obama declines comment on US hostage crisis off Somalia

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    This would be perfect; unfortunately, as the Community Organization of the United States, we will now listen to the terrorists issues and talk to them and let them know that we understand their grievances and will fund their agenda so that they may live in peaceful coexistence with the world.
    Well, there's always hope that Dear Leader will learn that peaceful coexistence with terrorists occurs only when you or they are pushing up daisies.

    When someone has as his highest aim your death, the range of outcomes reduces to two:
    1. You can die.
    2. He can die.

    Which will our Coward-in-Chief choose, I wonder?

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    Re: Obama declines comment on US hostage crisis off Somalia

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Well, there's always hope that Dear Leader will learn that peaceful coexistence with terrorists occurs only when you or they are pushing up daisies.

    When someone has as his highest aim your death, the range of outcomes reduces to two:
    1. You can die.
    2. He can die.

    Which will our Coward-in-Chief choose, I wonder?

    Trouble with that is they are not terrorists, they are pirates; they’re in it mainly for the money, ideology comes in a distant second, if at all.
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    Re: Obama declines comment on US hostage crisis off Somalia

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    Trouble with that is they are not terrorists, they are pirates; they’re in it mainly for the money, ideology comes in a distant second, if at all.
    I'd argue that "in it for money" is also an ideology. They may not have the same extreme ideologies of the Taliban, Al Quedia, or the Real IRA, but they still have a militant and aggressive ideology.
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    Re: Obama declines comment on US hostage crisis off Somalia

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    Trouble with that is they are not terrorists, they are pirates; they’re in it mainly for the money, ideology comes in a distant second, if at all.
    Ok, so they're pirates not terrorists. Change the range of outcomes to:

    1. You pay them.
    2. You kill them.


    Being the stingy soul that I am, I prefer killing to paying.

    (I wonder how many would opt to pursue a life of piracy if certain and unpleasant death was the likely end result?)
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    Re: Obama declines comment on US hostage crisis off Somalia

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Ok, so they're pirates not terrorists. Change the range of outcomes to:

    1. You pay them.
    2. You kill them.


    Being the stingy soul that I am, I prefer killing to paying.

    (I wonder how many would opt to pursue a life of piracy if certain and unpleasant death was the likely end result?)
    I have no problems with that.
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    Re: Obama declines comment on US hostage crisis off Somalia

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Petty comments like this are so un American.
    It's just too funny to listen to the Leftists speak about unAmerican comments considering their traitorous behavior in Vietnam, The Cold and The Gulf Wars.

    We as a nation will persevere and defeat these muther ****ers that resort to thievery.
    "We as a nation..."?
    Since when have you folks believed "we as a nation"? That's new!

    And "defeat these mf's..."?
    Did I read that correct?
    Libs all for defeating someone who isn't a Republican?
    Wow!

    There are firsts... and I tip my hat to the Libs for their Baby Steps.

    But... should this drag on for a few days I believe the Leftists will begin their "Position Shift", blaming the Crew, George Bush... siding with the Pirates, making private telephone contact ... communicating the Pirate's griefs for them and their "acceptable demands"... propagandizing for the Pirates, claim the Crew are evil... and demand the Pirates are released unharmed with all the goodies they can get away with.

    If the USSR, Vietnam, Gulf 1 & 2 are any indication... that's where we know they will go.

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