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    Re: Obama declines comment on US hostage crisis off Somalia

    Quote Originally Posted by BulletWounD View Post
    In the case of fishing, it's possible that the fishermen are violating Somalia's EEZ, in which case the correct response is to escort the boat away, not hold it for ransom
    Pirates Seize Egyptian Fishing Boats In Somaliland Waters | SomalilandPress

    Kill them is my instant response.
    A nice hanging and send them back to their host country in a box.
    But we might as well get some money from them whilst we are at it.

    Go anywhere near our waters, you should be killed. End of conversation.

    If an Iranian ship entered US waters, do you think US would be 'escorting it away' - In my dreams maybe.
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    Re: Obama declines comment on US hostage crisis off Somalia

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Not trolling, old man, just exposing your ignorance.



    which ignorance? please by all means explain..... when you can't will you apologize for trolling?


    i'm waiting.
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    Re: Obama declines comment on US hostage crisis off Somalia

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    No no. Come on now! How dare you doubt that the turnout of the situation is the only outcome that MrVicchio wasn't planning on. Here is how you can bet your house he would have reacted if this thing had turned out any other way :

    1. The hostage gets killed :

    - MrVicchio along with Rev, TD, American, GottaHurt, Navy Pride, Aquapub etc etc all post around 10,000 threads with the same names about how Obama was too irrational in using force and getting a hostage killed.

    2. Obama negotiates :

    - MrVicchio along with Rev, TD, American, GottaHurt, Navy Pride, Aquapub etc etc all post around 100,000,000 threads with the same names about how Obama is making us look weak by negotiating with pirates.

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    Do you really doubt that they weren't betting every dollar they have on this turning out any other way then the way it actually did? TD is still looking for something to complain about (see his rant on not wanting to call these guys pirates because they don't say Arg!') and Triad is still bitching about who knows what. I mean. I know some people just need something to bitch about. But the way this situation turned out and the responses I've seen from the current right wing headliners on this forum is indicative that Obama did something incredibly right.




    Gotta love posters with no integrity spinning lies to make themselves feel better.


    please show some class. I have supported Obama when he does things that I agree with, and have critisized him when he has done things I do not support.


    making up stories about me only demonstrates your hyper-partisan mindset. keep it up.
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    Re: Obama declines comment on US hostage crisis off Somalia

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    "They took a man by force and held him for ransom."

    Exactly. A criminal act - and not a terrorist one.
    I never claimed it was a terrorist act.

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    "Your definition of "piracy" from the Meriam Webster dictionary is pretty good, you should really have read it before you posted it.
    I did read it, and it's not my definition, it's Merriam-Websters.

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    "By my reading, you are stretching the definition of terrorism (most crime involves an element of terror) so does that make a paedophile a terrorist? or a bank robber using guns.. is he a terrorist too?
    Your reading is obviously impaired. Once again, it's not my definition, nor did I stretch it. I posted a direct link to Merriam-Websters definition.

    Pedophiles? Bank robbers? You're in the wrong thread. This thread is/was about a hostage situation off the coast of Somalia.

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    "These guys committed the crime of piracy and of kidnap and got what they deserved. Calling them terrorists glorifies them above being lowlife scum who fell into crime.
    Again, show me where I called them terrorists. I'm the one who pointed out that:

    Quote Originally Posted by GottaHurt
    Kidnap/kidnappers would be the appropriate terminology. They took a man by force and held him for ransom.
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    Re: Obama declines comment on US hostage crisis off Somalia

    No doubt the focus group told Obama he better act like Bush on this one, or he'll look like a weinie.
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    Re: Obama declines comment on US hostage crisis off Somalia

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    What did obama actually do? He said "yes".
    Then where did all the unwarranted criticism come from over him not doing anything or saying anything? Apparently it was fine to crucify the man when you thought he wasn't saying anything at all. It was just fine to get on here and predict what a failure he was going to make of this situation and find him guilty of being weak when some of you were only speculating what was on his mind or what he was doing. This thread was overrun with just brilliant observations from the "We Hate Obama" glee club. But when he did precisely what he was supposed to do and all ended well...it's "um big deal, okay, fine, he didn't really do anything...good for him I guess, it was the SEALs who did all the work so good for them, they are the heroes...this doesn't make Obama a hero, all he did was say yes."

    Obama did what a good President does. He listened to his people and he made the right decision.

    What happens next is what Obama needs to "do"
    Of course, and I'm sure there will be a plethora of posts about what a failure he's going to be at this too...until he actually does something. Then it will be "yeah well all he did was listen to his military commanders and say 'yes' and how big a deal was that?...what really matters is what he does next."
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    Re: Obama declines comment on US hostage crisis off Somalia

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Pirates Seize Egyptian Fishing Boats In Somaliland Waters | SomalilandPress

    Kill them is my instant response.
    A nice hanging and send them back to their host country in a box.
    But we might as well get some money from them whilst we are at it.

    Go anywhere near our waters, you should be killed. End of conversation.

    If an Iranian ship entered US waters, do you think US would be 'escorting it away' - In my dreams maybe.
    I don't think we would hold a merchant vessel hostage just for passing through our waters peacefully.

    But sure...if Somalia wants to behave that way over its waters, I'm sure the rest of the world would be happy to not send any humanitarian aid to Somalia by ship either. We can just skirt around it entirely on our way to other civilized coutries and Somalia can die off without us ever taking notice.

    Works for me.

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    Re: Obama declines comment on US hostage crisis off Somalia

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Pirates Seize Egyptian Fishing Boats In Somaliland Waters | SomalilandPress

    Kill them is my instant response.
    A nice hanging and send them back to their host country in a box.
    But we might as well get some money from them whilst we are at it.

    Go anywhere near our waters, you should be killed. End of conversation.

    If an Iranian ship entered US waters, do you think US would be 'escorting it away' - In my dreams maybe.
    Somaliland doesn't have territorial waters, and even if they did they did the proper response would be to escort them away, not arrest them and certainly not kill them. And were they fishing or just passing through? Can you show me one instance where foreign nationals have been killed by the US for fishing in our EEZ? No, you can't.

    You're being hysterical.
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    Re: Obama declines comment on US hostage crisis off Somalia

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Then where did all the unwarranted criticism come from over him not doing anything or saying anything? Apparently it was fine to crucify the man when you thought he wasn't saying anything at all. It was just fine to get on here and predict what a failure he was going to make of this situation and find him guilty of being weak when some of you were only speculating what was on his mind or what he was doing. This thread was overrun with just brilliant observations from the "We Hate Obama" glee club. But when he did precisely what he was supposed to do and all ended well...it's "um big deal, okay, fine, he didn't really do anything...good for him I guess, it was the SEALs who did all the work so good for them, they are the heroes...this doesn't make Obama a hero, all he did was say yes."

    Obama did what a good President does. He listened to his people and he made the right decision.


    Of course, and I'm sure there will be a plethora of posts about what a failure he's going to be at this too...until he actually does something. Then it will be "yeah well all he did was listen to his military commanders and say 'yes' and how big a deal was that?...what really matters is what he does next."


    Let me be clear, he did the right thing. I just don't think we should throw him a parade over it.


    What next? There is hints that they are going to do what I suggested weeks ago and allow privateers to go there and hunt pirates. If this happens, I applaud him, this is the right thing and I would be 100% behind it.


    besides, I am SOOOO getting a letter of Marque!
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    Re: Obama declines comment on US hostage crisis off Somalia

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Let me be clear, he did the right thing. I just don't think we should throw him a parade over it.


    What next? There is hints that they are going to do what I suggested weeks ago and allow privateers to go there and hunt pirates. If this happens, I applaud him, this is the right thing and I would be 100% behind it.


    besides, I am SOOOO getting a letter of Marque!
    I can think of a dozen reasons why it's a bad idea to allow private citizens to commit murder for hire. But of course, logic has always been beyond your understanding.

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