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    Re: Obama declines comment on US hostage crisis off Somalia

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    You clearly don't understand presidential responsibility. By "just saying yes", Obama accepted responsibility for the deaths of these pirates. He exercised his authority to become judge, jury and by extension, executioner. Most of us will never face that kind of pressure, but it's his job to deal with it every day. And so far, I'd say he's doing a pretty good job.


    What are you on about?



    my point is, as POTUS, he needs to go that next step and take it to the pirates.


    He made the right decision at the right time, he now needs to follow through.
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    Re: Obama declines comment on US hostage crisis off Somalia

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    You clearly don't understand presidential responsibility. By "just saying yes", Obama accepted responsibility for the deaths of these pirates. He exercised his authority to become judge, jury and by extension, executioner. Most of us will never face that kind of pressure, but it's his job to deal with it every day. And so far, I'd say he's doing a pretty good job.
    Actually, the lack of understanding is yours, not his.

    To begin with, he did not "accept responsibility" for the deaths of those pirates. That responsibility was theirs, and they accepted it the moment they attempted to seize the Maersk Alabama--this was no problematic Lindbergh baby kidnapping where there was distinct possibility of innocent men being wrongly convicted and executed. He was not a judge, nor was he a jury, and their executioners were the Navy SEAL snipers who gave them a far more merciful end than was their due.

    Further, the good Reverend has a point. This was one good call, but the problem of piracy remains. As good as Navy SEAL snipers are, they are not the constant solution to what is at this point a constant problem. The pirate nests need to be cleaned out and the Somalis need to get the hint that, no matter how much poverty sucks, piracy is not the pathway to prosperity. What has the President said or done to advance that larger objective? So far, nothing.

    Finally, even if the responsibility of making such decisions is awesome and weighty and all the rest....so what? Any man who stayed awake in high school history class knows at the very least that being President is not an easy job. He asked for the job anyway. If he is burdened by such responsibility, he should not have run for the office.

    Of a certainty the job is weighty and challenging; a man who fails to appreciate that going in has no business sitting in the Oval Office. This incident is nothing compared to the enormity of the challenge of Iran, or the delicacy of the difficulty that is North Korea, or the complexity that is Russia. I do hope that the current occupant of the Oval Office is not as weighted down by this crisis as you suggest, for that indeed does not augur well for the real crises to come.

    The President made a good call--but let's not pretend this call was major league. It wasn't. The REAL challenges in foreign policy are still yet to come.

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    Re: Obama declines comment on US hostage crisis off Somalia

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    You clearly don't understand presidential responsibility. By "just saying yes", Obama accepted responsibility for the deaths of these pirates. He exercised his authority to become judge, jury and by extension, executioner. Most of us will never face that kind of pressure, but it's his job to deal with it every day. And so far, I'd say he's doing a pretty good job.
    The Pirate asked to get shot when they held hostage a US citizen. How stupid do they have to be to not expect death.


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    Re: Obama declines comment on US hostage crisis off Somalia

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Actually, the lack of understanding is yours, not his.

    To begin with, he did not "accept responsibility" for the deaths of those pirates. That responsibility was theirs, and they accepted it the moment they attempted to seize the Maersk Alabama--this was no problematic Lindbergh baby kidnapping where there was distinct possibility of innocent men being wrongly convicted and executed. He was not a judge, nor was he a jury, and their executioners were the Navy SEAL snipers who gave them a far more merciful end than was their due.
    are you God, to decide who accepts death the moment they make a bad decision? The President had a choice whether or not to have these men killed and he made it, the Almighty did not assure him they were already doomed.
    Further, the good Reverend has a point. This was one good call, but the problem of piracy remains. As good as Navy SEAL snipers are, they are not the constant solution to what is at this point a constant problem. The pirate nests need to be cleaned out and the Somalis need to get the hint that, no matter how much poverty sucks, piracy is not the pathway to prosperity. What has the President said or done to advance that larger objective? So far, nothing.
    The "good Reverend" rarely has a novel opinion, and less so in this matter. I think everyone would agree Somalian piracy is a problem, but how do you know the President is doing nothing about it? Or did you inadvertently leak Top Secret information?

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    Re: Obama declines comment on US hostage crisis off Somalia

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    my point is, as POTUS, he needs to go that next step and take it to the pirates.


    He made the right decision at the right time, he now needs to follow through.
    Since any idiot can see this logic, I have a feeling the president is already on top of it.

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    Re: Obama declines comment on US hostage crisis off Somalia

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    The pirate nests need to be cleaned out and the Somalis need to get the hint that, no matter how much poverty sucks, piracy is not the pathway to prosperity. What has the President said or done to advance that larger objective? So far, nothing.

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    And what if the pirates just move?

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    Re: Obama declines comment on US hostage crisis off Somalia

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    are you God, to decide who accepts death the moment they make a bad decision? The President had a choice whether or not to have these men killed and he made it, the Almighty did not assure him they were already doomed.
    I am not God. I do not judge these men's souls. I merely say their souls need to be presented to Him for judgment. The Navy SEALs did an outstanding job of making the appointment for them.

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    The "good Reverend" rarely has a novel opinion, and less so in this matter. I think everyone would agree Somalian piracy is a problem, but how do you know the President is doing nothing about it? Or did you inadvertently leak Top Secret information?
    You don't scare people off in stealth and in secret. You do it loudly and in public. If it ain't being seen, it ain't being done.

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    Re: Obama declines comment on US hostage crisis off Somalia

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    -- What has the President said or done to advance that larger objective? So far, nothing --
    There's a tradition during such operations (by British forces and Govts) not to say or do anything while an operation is ongoing. I read this thread and couldn't believe how people were demanding a statement or some form of action. All that does is jeopardise the people at the sharp end - hostages and rescuers. It warns the captors that something is going to happen and they either kill their captives or prepare a better defence.

    Anyhow - I think Rev posted on the other thread what is being proposed. I suspect a whole lot of activity has been going on away from media outlet eyes which we will find out about with time.

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    Re: Obama declines comment on US hostage crisis off Somalia

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Since any idiot can see this logic, I have a feeling the president is already on top of it.
    Well, I guess Pres Doofus qualifies then.


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    Re: Obama declines comment on US hostage crisis off Somalia

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    There's a tradition during such operations (by British forces and Govts) not to say or do anything while an operation is ongoing. I read this thread and couldn't believe how people were demanding a statement or some form of action. All that does is jeopardise the people at the sharp end - hostages and rescuers. It warns the captors that something is going to happen and they either kill their captives or prepare a better defence.
    It's fine not to comment on the specifics of the Captain Phillips matter prior to his rescue. What's not fine is to be silent on the larger issue that the Somalis need to stop being pirates, or it will end badly for them. The stakes need to be raised in this game; the Somalis figure they have a winning hand in this, they figure that still, by recent news accounts, and they need to be moved off that perspective. That's not an objective accomplished by stealth and secrecy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    Anyhow - I think Rev posted on the other thread what is being proposed. I suspect a whole lot of activity has been going on away from media outlet eyes which we will find out about with time.
    Perhaps. If I read in the very near future of some nice strafing runs on pirate villages I will change my mind.

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