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    Re: U.S. Navy Arrives at Scene of Hijacked American Ship

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    Remember the recapture of the USS Philidelphia by the first US Marines. The Philidelphia had been captured and its crew taken hostage. The crew was removed from the ship and taken to Tripoli. The Marines recaptured the ship which had run aground in the harbor then set fire to the ship so the muslem jihadist pirates could not use it against us. After this they went ashore and capturied the city of Tripoli. This took place on Febuary 16, 1804.
    That was before CNN, Al Jeezera, MSNBC, et al. would be able to make the United States forces look like butchers.
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    Re: U.S. Navy Arrives at Scene of Hijacked American Ship

    I don't forsee Obama launching attacks on Somali pirates, won't happen. It'd be great if he did, made it clear we won't tolerate such behavior, but Obama won't do it.

    Not without the UN approving and supporting it, and they won't.

    This brave captian will get hauled back to shore, and ransom will set him free, and that's how this plays out.
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    Re: U.S. Navy Arrives at Scene of Hijacked American Ship

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    I don't forsee Obama launching attacks on Somali pirates, won't happen. It'd be great if he did, made it clear we won't tolerate such behavior, but Obama won't do it.

    Not without the UN approving and supporting it, and they won't.

    This brave captian will get hauled back to shore, and ransom will set him free, and that's how this plays out.
    You forget the gauntlet the media will set for the Captain. Being taken to every single media organization and having to retell the story over, and over, and over again.

    Honestly, I'd rather take my chances with Somali Pirates.
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    Re: U.S. Navy Arrives at Scene of Hijacked American Ship

    The following is a story that relates to todays muslim pirates. Thomas Jefferson learned how to deal with jihadist through war not appeasement.

    Over the course of 10 centuries, Muslim pirates cruised the African and Mediterranean coastline, pillaging villages and seizing slaves.

    The taking of slaves in pre-dawn raids on unsuspecting coastal villages had a high casualty rate. It was typical of Muslim raiders to kill off as many of the "non-Muslim" older men and women as possible so the preferred "booty" of only young women and children could be collected.

    Young non-Muslim women were targeted because of their value as concubines in Islamic markets. Islamic law provides for the sexual interests of Muslim men by allowing them to take as many as four wives at one time and to have as many concubines as their fortunes allow.

    Boys, as young as 9 or 10 years old, were often mutilated to create eunuchs who would bring higher prices in the slave markets of the Middle East. Muslim slave traders created "eunuch stations" along major African slave routes so the necessary surgery could be performed. It was estimated that only a small number of the boys subjected to the mutilation survived after the surgery.

    When American colonists rebelled against British rule in 1776, American merchant ships lost Royal Navy protection. With no American Navy for protection, American ships were attacked and their Christian crews enslaved by Muslim pirates operating under the control of the "Dey of Algiers"--an Islamist warlord ruling Algeria.

    Because American commerce in the Mediterranean was being destroyed by the pirates, the Continental Congress agreed in 1784 to negotiate treaties with the four Barbary States. Congress appointed a special commission consisting of John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, and Benjamin Franklin, to oversee the negotiations.

    Lacking the ability to protect its merchant ships in the Mediterranean, the new America government tried to appease the Muslim slavers by agreeing to pay tribute and ransoms in order to retrieve seized American ships and buy the freedom of enslaved sailors.

    Adams argued in favor of paying tribute (appeasement) as the cheapest way to get American commerce in the Mediterranean moving again. Jefferson was opposed. He believed there would be no end to the demands for tribute and wanted matters settled "through the medium of war." He proposed a league of trading nations to force an end to Muslim piracy.

    In 1786, Jefferson, then the American ambassador to France, and Adams, then the American ambassador to Britain, met in London with Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja, the "Dey of Algiers" ambassador to Britain.

    The Americans wanted to negotiate a peace treaty based on Congress' vote to appease.

    During the meeting Jefferson and Adams asked the Dey's ambassador why Muslims held so much hostility towards America, a nation with which they had no previous contacts.

    In a later meeting with the American Congress, the two future presidents reported that Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja had answered that Islam "was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Quran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners, and that every Musselman (Muslim) who should be slain in Battle was sure to go to Paradise."

    For the following 15 years, the American government paid the Muslims millions of dollars for the safe passage of American ships or the return of American hostages. The payments in ransom and tribute amounted to 20 percent of United States government annual revenues in 1800.

    Not long after Jefferson's inauguration as president in 1801, he dispatched a group of frigates to defend American interests in the Mediterranean, and informed Congress.

    Declaring that America was going to spend "millions for defense but not one cent for tribute," Jefferson pressed the issue by deploying American Marines and many of America's best warships to the Muslim Barbary Coast.

    The USS Constitution, USS Constellation, USS Philadelphia, USS Chesapeake, USS Argus, USS Syren and USS Intrepid all saw action.

    In 1805, American Marines marched across the desert from Egypt into Tripolitania, forcing the surrender of Tripoli and the freeing of all American slaves.

    During the Jefferson administration, the Muslim Barbary States, crumbling as a result of intense American naval bombardment and on shore raids by Marines, finally officially agreed to abandon slavery and piracy.

    Jefferson's victory over the Muslims lives on today in the Marine Hymn, with the line, "From the halls of Montezuma, to the shores of Tripoli, We fight our country's battles in the air, on land and sea."

    It wasn't until 1815 that the problem was fully settled by the total defeat of all the Muslim slave trading pirates.

    Jefferson had been right. The "medium of war" was the only way to put and end to the Muslim problem. Mr. Ellison was right about Jefferson. He was a "visionary" wise enough to read and learn about the enemy from their own Muslim book of jihad.
    A lesson can be learned from the way Jefferson handled jihadist pirates. Its been said before that those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. This is evident today as Europe, Russia, and others pay ransom to appease pirates. I agree with GySgt, we must attack the ports that these pirates use and put an end to this once and for all. But we should not have to do it alone, the Russians and Chinise should join us in this effort.
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    Re: U.S. Navy Arrives at Scene of Hijacked American Ship

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post



    A lesson can be learned from the way Jefferson handled jihadist pirates. Its been said before that those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. This is evident today as Europe, Russia, and others pay ransom to appease pirates. I agree with GySgt, we must attack the ports that these pirates use and put an end to this once and for all. But we should not have to do it alone, the Russians and Chinise should join us in this effort.
    It is actually private companies that pay the ransoms and they do it for economic reasons.

    And there is nothing holding back a private US company from paying a ransom.

    Despite U.S. policy, nothing stops ransom payment, expert says - CNN.com

    And here is a how to article on paying ransoms:

    BBC NEWS | Africa | How do you pay a pirate's ransom?

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    Re: U.S. Navy Arrives at Scene of Hijacked American Ship

    Here is another intresting fact about this international incident. The Alabama was raided by jihadist pirates the U.S flagged cargo ship was cruising the Indian Ocean en route to Mombassa. The 21 Americans in the crew were trying to deliver tons of food and other agricultural materials for the World Food Program, to be distributed among destitute Muslims in that Kenyan port city, and beyond.

    Thats right the evil Americans were delivering aid to African muslims. This brings to mind the aid to Africa that was tripled by President Bush. Something that Bush didn't get credit for from his political enemies and most of the world outside of Africa. In fact the United States has done more for human rights and aid to feed the worlds starving masses than any other nation on earth.
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    Re: U.S. Navy Arrives at Scene of Hijacked American Ship

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    Here is another intresting fact about this international incident. The Alabama was raided by jihadist pirates the U.S flagged cargo ship was cruising the Indian Ocean en route to Mombassa. The 21 Americans in the crew were trying to deliver tons of food and other agricultural materials for the World Food Program, to be distributed among destitute Muslims in that Kenyan port city, and beyond.

    Thats right the evil Americans were delivering aid to African muslims. This brings to mind the aid to Africa that was tripled by President Bush. Something that Bush didn't get credit for from his political enemies and most of the world outside of Africa. In fact the United States has done more for human rights and aid to feed the worlds starving masses than any other nation on earth.

    I think we do this whole African-Aid stuff all wrong to begin with. We drop it in their countries and expect them to share....
    Hell no, Warlords make mad bank off of aide.
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    Re: U.S. Navy Arrives at Scene of Hijacked American Ship

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    I think we do this whole African-Aid stuff all wrong to begin with. We drop it in their countries and expect them to share....
    Hell no, Warlords make mad bank off of aide.
    How do you sugest we do it? Have the military distribute it.
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    Re: U.S. Navy Arrives at Scene of Hijacked American Ship

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    How do you sugest we do it? Have the military distribute it.
    Not a chance in hell would I want our military personnel in the hornet's nest.
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    Re: U.S. Navy Arrives at Scene of Hijacked American Ship

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    It is American interests that were hit this time, so yes, America needs to get involved, and deliver another ass kicking to pirates on the high seas. Seems that they have forgotten the lesson we gave them a little over 200 years ago.
    Well, 200 years ago, we didn't have a choice and the rest of the world reaped the benefits of our sweat and blood. Today, we do have a choice.

    I am bitter over the fact that genocide in Europe goes unchecked until America sends its troops to sweat and bleed. I am bitter over the fact that America can be attacked with the guarantee that these same "friends" who ignored genocide in their own region complains over having to send more than the bare minimum and demands to be stationed far from the fight.

    And now, after years of the world's nations (from Europe, the Middle East, and Asia), dumping toxic waste in the Somali waters, fishermen have been left with little choice as to livelyhood. Enter piracy and the lucrative wealth status that intices young black African men who have absolutely no opportunity for success any where else in their country (largely because their own people were dicks in 1993 - I was there by the way). America, if you can believe this, is innocent of this dumping. YET.....here we are having to deal with a world that they made, once again, and having to make it all better for us at our own expense and to there benefit.

    The thanks will be grudgingly given by our "friends" only long enough to criticize us for our imperfections and whatever blame they can attribute towards us. .....and then it will be all about how we did what we did only for ourselves, while pretending that they don't cling to the table we have created.

    Too bitter? That's the seasoned Jarhead in me.

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