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    Re: Somali pirates seize ship; 21 Americans aboard

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Wrong as usual. The mansions and (probably) the people in them are not responsible for the seizure of the American crew, and bombing them could possibly result in the crew's murder. Of course the life of the crew is at risk, but the solution seems clear. The ship itself must be seized as quickly as possible, the pirates neutralized, and their mother ship sunk. It may take time to get assets into position, but I promise you, they are on the move as we speak.


    They aren't pirates in them houses?


    Seriously..... you crack me up sometimes.
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    Re: Somali pirates seize ship; 21 Americans aboard

    You guys are missing the point. Who's ship it is is irrelevant.

    There are two issues:

    1) They're Americans held hostage abroad.
    2) This provides Obama with political incentive and capital to take care of a problem that's been ignored previously.

    There's a body of international law blocking the Western powers from dealing with the pirating problem effectively. Domestically the more immediate issues of the war in Iraq and Afghanistan makes raising the political will for a decisive action difficult.

    This changes everything. A bold strike from Obama would probably be tolerated by the international community (at least the Europeans) even if it didn't fall completely within accepted international protocol, and wouldn't otherwise be popular domestically.
    And why does your tone suggest that you do not care about children?

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    Re: Somali pirates seize ship; 21 Americans aboard

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    They aren't pirates in them houses?


    Seriously..... you crack me up sometimes.
    The pirates in the houses are not the pirates who hijacked the ship....duh. Can't you discuss an issue without infantile remarks?

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    Re: Somali pirates seize ship; 21 Americans aboard

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    The pirates in the houses are not the pirates who hijacked the ship....duh. Can't you discuss an issue without infantile remarks?



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    Re: Somali pirates seize ship; 21 Americans aboard

    AP NewsAlert

    6 minutes ago

    WASHINGTON (AP) Pentagon officials say American crew may be back in control of hijacked ship.

    The Associated Press: AP NewsAlert



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    Re: Somali pirates seize ship; 21 Americans aboard

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Mmmmmm......Danish.


    Anyway, does it really matter where the ship is from? There were Americans captured, we (the US) have to do something to get them back, end of story. Do we pay a ransom and exchange, thus rewarding the pirates for their actions or do we do something more drastic to demonstrate that their actions will come with no reward if they act against our countrymen or property? That's the real issue. Now, I want to be a pirate, so I would say reward them! But I also want to be an old school pirate, the likes of Johnny Depp and the Yo Ho Yo Ho a pirates life for me, in which case I would say blow them out of the water for not being authentic pirates. Though I am torn between the One Piece sort of piracy and the Black Lagoon sort of piracy...maybe they can both be right.

    Either way, WTF are they really going to do, even if we pay ransom they have to pick it up and what would stop us from capturing/killing them when we figure out where they are at?
    Americans are held hostage, kidnapped, murdered, accused of crimes and held for months and years world wide every day. The US does nothing for them.
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    Re: Somali pirates seize ship; 21 Americans aboard

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Fault? I don't recall implying that Bush invented piracy. It's just one more of many things that were going on during Bush's presidency though that's been handed off to Obama. And now that an American ship has finally been attacked it's on Obama's watch and now he's got to deal with it.
    Hmm.

    I don't recall implying that Clinton invented terrorism. It's just one more of many things that were going on during Clinton's presidency though that's been handed off to Bush. And now that an American city has finally been attacked it's on Bush's watch and now he's got to deal with it

    Right?

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    Re: Somali pirates seize ship; 21 Americans aboard

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Do you want me to argue your "feelings" The ship is flying us colors, that makes it a US ship.

    There are 21 Americans captured.


    Either of these two are enough to act. Here we have both.,
    LOL typical you. You are caught in being totaly clueless and now you sticking to the typical right wing talking points and refusing to debate the reality of the situation.

    The ship is Danish pure and simple. The flag of the ship means nothing these days and in fact has not meant anything since the emergency of countries that give "benefits" to ship owners for flying their flag instead of the flag of the owners country. It is all about money.
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    Re: Somali pirates seize ship; 21 Americans aboard

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Americans are held hostage, kidnapped, murdered, accused of crimes and held for months and years world wide every day. The US does nothing for them.
    PeteEU thinks we shouldn't help them. Thanks Pete, for your concern.
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    Re: Somali pirates seize ship; 21 Americans aboard

    So to sum up where we are:

    - Petey (clueless as usual) assumed FOX News said something without any actual proof (par for the course with Petey)

    - Cardinal blames Bush for this, even though a US ship or a ship with US crewmembers aboard was never attacked during his Presidency

    - WillRockwell (the centrist - ha) took a jab at Bush as well, even though a US ship or a ship with US crewmembers aboard was never attacked during his Presidency

    - No one seems to have a "firm grasp" of maritime law here and most of what has been posted is "speculated opinion" on what they think it should be based on their own views

    Bottom line, US citizens are being held hostage. It doesn't matter what flag was flown on the ship, it doesn't matter who owns the ship, all that matters is that US citizens are being held hostage. Aside from increasing troop strength in Afghanistan and telling Iraq to take control, Obama has done nothing to impress me. As someone else pointed out, he has done nothing in terms of the US journalists that are being held in China and in Iran. This is his chance to act Presidential and do the right thing, but I seriously doubt it will happen.

    Update: US crew back in control of ship! I'm sure more details will come to light in the next several hours, but my hat is off to the crew!
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