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    Re: Somali pirates seize ship; 21 Americans aboard

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    yes, emotional. I am laughing at you.
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    The next 21 will if Obama does what needs to be done.
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    Re: Somali pirates seize ship; 21 Americans aboard

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    "In a statement, the company later confirmed that the US-flagged vessel has 20 Americans onboard."

    Somali Pirates Seize US Cargo Ship Off Horn Of Africa | World News | Sky News
    BBC NEWS | Africa | Somali pirates hijack Danish ship

    I'm using BBC. Are we talking about the same incident?

    "The US-operated container vessel, named as Maersk Alabama, was seized in the Indian Ocean about 400 miles (645km) east of the capital, Mogadishu.
    The Danish-owned ship's crew members are believed to be safe, the European Union's maritime security force said."

    So it's US-operated and Danish owned. To me that means it's a Danish ship, although maritime law isn't my specialty.
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    Re: Somali pirates seize ship; 21 Americans aboard

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    How did bush "hand" this problem to Obama?
    I missed this edit.

    You know, for someone who immediately jumped all over me to "catch up," your attention span could sure use some work. I answered that already.

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    Re: Somali pirates seize ship; 21 Americans aboard

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    BBC NEWS | Africa | Somali pirates hijack Danish ship

    I'm using BBC. Are we talking about the same incident?

    "The US-operated container vessel, named as Maersk Alabama, was seized in the Indian Ocean about 400 miles (645km) east of the capital, Mogadishu.
    The Danish-owned ship's crew members are believed to be safe, the European Union's maritime security force said."

    So it's US-operated and Danish owned. To me that means it's a Danish ship, although maritime law isn't my specialty.



    I see what you are missing.


    It is a danish ship. it is operated under US law, under the US flag. For all legal purposes this is an American ship.
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    Re: Somali pirates seize ship; 21 Americans aboard

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    I missed this edit.

    You know, for someone who immediately jumped all over me to "catch up," your attention span could sure use some work. I answered that already.

    Where? you sort of blabbered on about some nonsense. You had no purpose in bringing up Bush. Noted.


    And you still haven't caught up.
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    Re: Somali pirates seize ship; 21 Americans aboard

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    So now, what will the response be. I personally am concerned that Obama will not respond with a firm hand and this will open up more attacks on American ships.


    Obama is at a crossroads here with this one. If we pay the ransom, shame on us, shame on him.
    I think we should pay the ransom and then give a bit more to reward piracy. There's not enough pirates, 'tis a noble trade steeped in tradition it is. If anything we be needing more pirates! Yarrrr.

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    Re: Somali pirates seize ship; 21 Americans aboard

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    I see what you are missing.


    It is a danish ship. it is operated under US law, under the US flag. For all legal purposes this is an American ship.


    Well, BBC didn't actually say anything about it's national allegiance...but...so its operational "flag" isn't related to its actual country of origin?

    So if I own a ship and I'm an American citizen I can have it operate under any national flag I want?

    That's a terrible system.
    Last edited by new coup for you; 04-08-09 at 11:32 AM.
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    Re: Somali pirates seize ship; 21 Americans aboard

    Quote Originally Posted by new coup for you View Post
    Well, BBC didn't actually say anything about it's national allegiance...but...so its operational "flag" isn't related to its actual country of origin?

    So if I own a ship and I'm an American citizen I can have it operate under any national flag I want?

    That's a terrible system.



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    Re: Somali pirates seize ship; 21 Americans aboard

    Its not an American ship. It is a Danish ship, owned by the worlds largest shipping company Maersk.

    You cant call it an "american ship" because of what flag it is under. Ownership is key, where as flag is a legal and often financial issue due the differences between countries.

    The most likely reason that this ship is under American flag, is that it has been used and can be used by the US military for transportation. During the first gulf war it was Maersk who offered all his ships to the US military and they used quite a few of them to ship over tanks and equipment. Maersk has the biggest transportation ship on the planet and has some of the biggest oil tankers too.

    The owner of Maersk is an old billionaire with a love of America, and especially the American business model and "American dream" philosophy.

    But saying that, I suspect that a few favours might be called in to get the ship freed very fast......
    Last edited by PeteEU; 04-08-09 at 11:34 AM.
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    Re: Somali pirates seize ship; 21 Americans aboard

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Where? you sort of blabbered on about some nonsense. You had no purpose in bringing up Bush. Noted.


    And you still haven't caught up.
    Have you ever met that guy who was so far behind he thought he was ahead? You're that guy right now.

    Carry on.

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