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    Re: Three U.S. Lawmakers Meet With 'Energetic' Fidel Castro

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    So not "completely" sympathetic, I suppose.
    Will anybody help me pay for free tickets to Cuba? If Cuba is so wonderful they should move there. We need to get these people out of here.

    California Democratic Rep. Laura Richardson, who also met Fidel with Illinois Democratic Rep. Bobby Rush, said Castro "looked directly into our eyes" and asked how Cuba could help Obama in his efforts to change the course of U.S. foreign policy.
    You can't be serious.

    "We did not come to negotiate, we came to associate and cultivate," said Democratic Rep. Emanuel Cleaver of Missouri, another delegation member.
    What an absolute EMBARRASSMENT. GET OUT OF HERE!

    In a column posted on a government Web site late Tuesday night, Castro wrote about his meeting with the three U.S. representatives, saying Cuban leaders "weren't aggressors, nor did we threaten the United States."
    Never mind that they nationalized (stole) American companies. Never mind that they hosted Soviet missile battalions on their soil. We're just going to forget all of that. They're our friends now.

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    Re: Three U.S. Lawmakers Meet With 'Energetic' Fidel Castro

    I just read the Politico version of this story and they really went about it the wrong way.

    This statement is just beyond retarded.

    In a statement following the meeting today, Castro said that the delegation had expressed to him that a segment of American society “continues to be racist,” and is at least partly to blame for the travel restrictions.
    I would've said the following:

    "Over the years our countries have had an interesting and complex relationship but I believe it's time to form more of a straightforward relationship between us"
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    Re: Three U.S. Lawmakers Meet With 'Energetic' Fidel Castro

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    I just read the Politico version of this story and they really went about it the wrong way.

    This statement is just beyond retarded.



    I would've said the following:

    "Over the years our countries have had an interesting and complex relationship but I believe it's time to form more of a straightforward relationship between us"
    The embargo was enacted as a result of Castro stealing American businesses. Oh but those weren't "black businesses" so who cares? Yes, a segment of society continues to be racist and that segment is overwhelmingly black.

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    Re: Three U.S. Lawmakers Meet With 'Energetic' Fidel Castro

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    So not "completely" sympathetic, I suppose.
    Illinois Democratic Rep. Bobby Rush, said Castro "looked directly into our eyes"
    Bobby Rush is a dumb dick.
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    Re: Three U.S. Lawmakers Meet With 'Energetic' Fidel Castro

    Here's something I've never understood about Cuba - if it's such a great place and is so free, how come they don't let citizens leave?
    Myth: Cuban's are not permitted to travel.

    Reality: Cubans do travel. Access to travel within in the island is readily available. Buses and trains link the entire 1,200-km stretch of the island, with relative efficiency. Many of the vacation resorts that tourists frequent, are also places of retreat for nationals.

    Cubans are also active international travellers. It does take a fair amount of paper work for a national to be granted a VISA and passport, but the same holds true for Canada. Cuba has a plethora of foreign embassies and foreign interest offices throughout the world. These places exist to establish healthy relations with foreign countries, but they are also there to aid Cuban travellers.

    It is unfair to claim that Cubans can not travel because of a low valued Peso. People travel in Cuba for similar reasons that people travel in Canada. Let it be for pleasure, business, or educational purposes.
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    The embargo was enacted as a result of Castro stealing American businesses.
    The embargo was a political tool whose purpose was to cripple Cuba's economy and deal a blow to the Soviet satellite state. It is a dinosaur of the Cold War.

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    Re: Three U.S. Lawmakers Meet With 'Energetic' Fidel Castro

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Myth: Cuban's are not permitted to travel.

    Reality: Cubans do travel. Access to travel within in the island is readily available. Buses and trains link the entire 1,200-km stretch of the island, with relative efficiency. Many of the vacation resorts that tourists frequent, are also places of retreat for nationals.

    Cubans are also active international travellers. It does take a fair amount of paper work for a national to be granted a VISA and passport, but the same holds true for Canada. Cuba has a plethora of foreign embassies and foreign interest offices throughout the world. These places exist to establish healthy relations with foreign countries, but they are also there to aid Cuban travellers.

    It is unfair to claim that Cubans can not travel because of a low valued Peso. People travel in Cuba for similar reasons that people travel in Canada. Let it be for pleasure, business, or educational purposes.
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    The embargo was a political tool whose purpose was to cripple Cuba's economy and deal a blow to the Soviet satellite state. It is a dinosaur of the Cold War.
    I will oppose the Cuban regime forever until they stop squashing the freedom I personally cherish the most: free speech and free press. Whether the embargo itself is effective or not is another question...

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    Re: Three U.S. Lawmakers Meet With 'Energetic' Fidel Castro

    I will oppose the Cuban regime forever until they stop squashing the freedom I personally cherish the most: free speech and free press. Whether the embargo itself is effective or not is another question...
    So the effectiveness of a policy is irrelevant to whether or not you will support it?

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    Re: Three U.S. Lawmakers Meet With 'Energetic' Fidel Castro

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    So the effectiveness of a policy is irrelevant to whether or not you will support it?
    Nope. I will support whatever policy is most effective. I don't know what that is at the moment.

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    Re: Three U.S. Lawmakers Meet With 'Energetic' Fidel Castro

    Nope.
    So what's the point of supporting a completely ineffective policy?

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    Re: Three U.S. Lawmakers Meet With 'Energetic' Fidel Castro

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    So what's the point of supporting a completely ineffective policy?
    This post isn't about whether the embargo is/isn't effective. It's about the willingness of our politicians to coalesce with tyrants. I, for one, do not believe suppressing economies is a viable way of changing internal policies. If anything it provides a scapegoat to the tyrants and allows them to solidify their grasp on the general public.

    However, there is some viability in forbidding commerce with tyrannical socialist/communist nations to prevent our ever-altruistic and far-sighted businessmen from "selling them the noose."
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