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    Re: Vermont legalizes gay marriage with veto override

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Do I need to expand further? When women got the right to vote, men got nothing. Something was added only to one side of the scale….
    Something is added. Hetero marriage stays the same, Homosexual marriage gains the ability of people being able to marry those whom they truly love; an ability currently in many States held only by heterosexual couples. Gay people tend not to really be able to experience the full of love, physical, emotional, and romantic, with people of the opposite sex. It's why they are gay, they are attracted to people of the same sex. The opposite is true of straight people, they are attracted to people of the opposite sex and can't experience the full of love with members of the same sex.

    So while heterosexual couples enjoyed the ability to forge contract with those they truly love (pursuit of happiness), homosexual couples were denied this ability. Authorizing same sex couples to access to the Marriage Contract allows them the ability to marry those whom they truly love; heterosexuals get nothing additional because they already enjoyed this ability.
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    Re: Vermont legalizes gay marriage with veto override

    Quote Originally Posted by The Jovial One View Post
    I must be missing your point.

    Without the right to marry, gays don't have a weight on the scale like straights do. By giving gays the right to marry, it balances the scale.
    How can you balance the scale when the same wait is placed on both sides?

    If the scale is uneven, then you would have to place wait on only one side, right?

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    Re: Vermont legalizes gay marriage with veto override

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Hetero marriage stays the same..
    Hetero marriage did not stay the same. It has been changed.

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    Re: Vermont legalizes gay marriage with veto override

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Never ending referendums?

    So you believe that Constitutional rights should be put to a popular vote?

    I am surprised you would even question it........That is how we do it in this country when activists get out of hand.........
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    Re: Vermont legalizes gay marriage with veto override

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex View Post
    For all of the debaters who said the court system was the wrong way to this, now it is done the way you wanted it.

    Are you fine with it?
    Mostly fine. For reasons I have stated in abundance in other threads, I do not believe sanctioning gay marriage is the right remedy, but, at first glance, I have no reason to question its constitutionality. Whether it is a good law will be seen over time.

    Of a certainty this has firmer foundations than the specious and arbitrary court rulings elsewhere.

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    Re: Vermont legalizes gay marriage with veto override

    Quote Originally Posted by The Jovial One View Post
    I disagree with it "not being a civil rights" issue. Gays may not be an ethnic or racial minority, they are a different class of minority whose rights have been trampled on for centuries. You do not choose to be gay. It is not a lifestyle choice.

    They should not be denied any of the rights enjoyed by others.
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    Re: Vermont legalizes gay marriage with veto override

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Hetero marriage did not stay the same. It has been changed.
    How did it change? I guess you can say it changed in such away that heterosexuals can now marry people they do not love, which is what homosexuals had before but were not allowed to marry those whom they did love. Or rather I guess expand upon the set of people they can not fully, romantically love and thus not probably marry.

    So you can take this as two sets of weights, as that seems to be the analogy you like. A large weight which symbolizes being able to marry who you love most and fully, the small one symbolizing the sex of those who you aren't attracted to yet being able to marry them.

    So to start, Heterosexuals had the large weight only and homosexuals had the small weight only. Allowing same sex marriage grants the small weight to the heterosexuals and the large weight to the homosexuals...thus balancing in full the Contract of Marriage.
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    Re: Vermont legalizes gay marriage with veto override

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    How did it change?
    I'm trying to make a point. Even if you disagree with my point I need you to demonstrate that you understand what I'm saying so that I will then listen to what you have to say. While your posts are your own, communication between us is a team effort and I need your cooperation. Right now you're trying to make a point while I'm trying to make a point. I feel like you're basically interrupting and speaking while I'm speaking, and what I would like is to be understood and understand you in return. I would be more than happy to read your own analogy when I'm finished, but right now it's my turn.

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    My point on this thread concerns only the law, and nothing else. Heteros got the same civil right to marry someone of the same gender as gays did.

    The scale being the 14th amendment and each wait being the actual civil right given to each side, neither side got anything more than the other side, legally. Each side got the same thing, so if marriage is equal now, it was equal then; if gay marriage was unequal then, it is unequal now.

    I think you and I are beginning at very different places. I appears to me that you begin where there are distinctions between gay/striate, whereas I begin where there are only citizens per-se.
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    Re: Vermont legalizes gay marriage with veto override

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Loving vs. Virginia does deem marriage a right however. And that was a SCOTUS case.
    And 5 years later, the court held in Baker v. Nelson that Loving did not apply to gay marriage.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Hetero marriage did not stay the same. It has been changed.
    lol, no, it has not. That's just absurd.
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    Re: Vermont legalizes gay marriage with veto override

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    lol, no, it has not. That's just absurd.
    Wate...there are still 2 seporate institutions?

    What did I mis?

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