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    Re: Vermont legalizes gay marriage with veto override

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I don't believe activist partisan judges be they democrats or republicans should over rule the will of the people............You state got it right by changing the constitution............If you want to change it start another referendun......That is the way we do it in this country.....The will of the people...........
    Never ending referendums?

    So you believe that Constitutional rights should be put to a popular vote?
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    Re: Vermont legalizes gay marriage with veto override

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    So you believe that Constitutional rights should be put to a popular vote?
    Do you believe Constitutional rights can be established (or disestablished) with a popular vote?

    If so, you are mistaken.

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    Re: Vermont legalizes gay marriage with veto override

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Do you believe Constitutional rights can be established (or disestablished) with a popular vote?

    If so, you are mistaken.
    I don't believe that they can, which is why referendums such as Prop 8 should be struck down. Constitutional rights should not be establish or disestablished with a popular vote.
    Sounds like you agree.
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    Re: Vermont legalizes gay marriage with veto override

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I don't believe that they can, which is why referendums such as Prop 8 should be struck down. Constitutional rights should not be establish or disestablished with a popular vote.
    Sounds like you agree.
    Do not assume about what I agree or disagree.

    Do you believe that, as an operation of law, Constitutional rights can be established or disestablished by a popular vote--by a simple 50% +1 majority?

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    Re: Vermont legalizes gay marriage with veto override

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Do not assume about what I agree or disagree.

    Do you believe that, as an operation of law, Constitutional rights can be established or disestablished by a popular vote--by a simple 50% +1 majority?

    Again...I don't believe that they should. I personally believe that it should be decided by the courts and the legislature. If the Court makes a finding the something violates the Constitution, it should take a 2/3rds majority of the legislature to pass an amendment. That ensures the safeguards that the separation of powers intended.

    Referendums such as prop 8 that put Constitutional rights to a popular vote are ridiculous and bypass the safeguards intended by the separation of powers.

    So, bottom line answer to your question: As many of our states operate now, yes Constitutional rights can be established or dis-established by a 50%+1 popular vote (at least in California). Should it be this way? Absolutely not.
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    Re: Vermont legalizes gay marriage with veto override

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Gay marriage is not a civil rights issue.
    It doesn't matter if it is or is not. Unless you can legally demonstrate how allowing gays and lesbians to marry each other actually impedes your personal liberties, its nothing but a tyranny of the majority for you to deny them the ability to do so.
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    Re: Vermont legalizes gay marriage with veto override

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    It doesn't matter if it is or is not. Unless you can legally demonstrate how allowing gays and lesbians to marry each other actually impedes your personal liberties, its nothing but a tyranny of the majority for you to deny them the ability to do so.
    I'm not arguing against gay-marriage. I'm only pointing out that it's not a civil rights issue.

    Things like facts and truth matter to me, apparently no for pro-gm, though...whatever gets them what they want.

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    Re: Vermont legalizes gay marriage with veto override

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex View Post
    So now Vermont has legalized same-sex marriage by way of the legislator. It could be argued that Massachusetts was the first to do this because they voted against a bill defining marriage as between one man and one woman, but that was after a court ruling allowing same-sex marriage. This is the first time I am aware of that the actual issue of same-sex marriage has been addressed in a legislative way and approved.

    For all of the debaters who said the court system was the wrong way to this, now it is done the way you wanted it.

    Are you fine with it?

    Vermont legalizes gay marriage with veto override
    I think it's awesome. I'm pissed that the Dems in the NY state legislature are being such pussies about it. They were in the minority for years and had a republican governor, so they used that as an excuse for why they couldn't get legislation passed. They ran on a gay marriage platform, and they now have majorities and a democrat governor. They need to get off their asses and follow through.

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Constitutional rights should never be put to a popular vote. That is the issue the California Supreme Court is looking at right now.
    Do you believe that all Constitutional Rights should be subject to a 50% +1 popular vote?
    Gay marriage isn't a constitutional right.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I understand that, but surely some case are on their way to the Supreme Court?

    I found this article on a quick google search, and it vaguely insinuates that such cases have reached the SCOTUS, but that the court refused to take it.

    FACTBOX: U.S. laws on gay marriage, civil unions | U.S. | Reuters
    There are literally thousands of cert petitions filed with the SC each year, so they can only take about 1% of them. They won't take a case unless they think that there's a ripe issue that should be decided. It doesn't seem like the issue is ready yet.
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    Re: Vermont legalizes gay marriage with veto override

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I'm not arguing against gay-marriage. I'm only pointing out that it's not a civil rights issue.

    Things like facts and truth matter to me, apparently no for pro-gm, though...whatever gets them what they want.
    I disagree with it "not being a civil rights" issue. Gays may not be an ethnic or racial minority, they are a different class of minority whose rights have been trampled on for centuries. You do not choose to be gay. It is not a lifestyle choice.

    They should not be denied any of the rights enjoyed by others.

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    Re: Vermont legalizes gay marriage with veto override

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post

    Gay marriage isn't a constitutional right.


    Loving vs. Virginia does deem marriage a right however. And that was a SCOTUS case.

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