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    Re: Vermont legalizes gay marriage with veto override

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I think the SCOTUS would like the states to settle this issue themselves.....
    That seems kind of odd to me. Of the hot-button topics in America today, that seems like an obvious one to take up. Either rule that gay marriage bans are unconstitutional or officially declare that it's up to the states. What are they waiting for?

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    Re: Vermont legalizes gay marriage with veto override

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    That seems kind of odd to me. Of the hot-button topics in America today, that seems like an obvious one to take up. Either rule that gay marriage bans are unconstitutional or officially declare that it's up to the states. What are they waiting for?
    The Supreme Court cannot make up a case. It has to wait until the issue is brought before it.

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    Re: Vermont legalizes gay marriage with veto override

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex View Post
    So now Vermont has legalized same-sex marriage by way of the legislator. It could be argued that Massachusetts was the first to do this because they voted against a bill defining marriage as between one man and one woman, but that was after a court ruling allowing same-sex marriage. This is the first time I am aware of that the actual issue of same-sex marriage has been addressed in a legislative way and approved.

    For all of the debaters who said the court system was the wrong way to this, now it is done the way you wanted it.

    Are you fine with it?

    Vermont legalizes gay marriage with veto override
    Not until each respective state sets all such rulings aside and deals with gay marriage through the legislature, no.

    Respect to Vermont for following Due Process, though
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    Re: Vermont legalizes gay marriage with veto override

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Constitutional rights should never be put to a popular vote. That is the issue the California Supreme Court is looking at right now.
    Do you believe that all Constitutional Rights should be subject to a 50% +1 popular vote?
    I don't believe activist partisan judges be they democrats or republicans should over rule the will of the people............You state got it right by changing the constitution............If you want to change it start another referendun......That is the way we do it in this country.....The will of the people...........
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex View Post
    The Supreme Court cannot make up a case. It has to wait until the issue is brought before it.
    I understand that, but surely some case are on their way to the Supreme Court?

    I found this article on a quick google search, and it vaguely insinuates that such cases have reached the SCOTUS, but that the court refused to take it.

    * The U.S. Supreme Court has not taken a case on gay marriage, leaving states to decide the issue.
    FACTBOX: U.S. laws on gay marriage, civil unions | U.S. | Reuters

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    Re: Vermont legalizes gay marriage with veto override

    Quote Originally Posted by stevenb View Post
    Of course they aren't, this paves the way for no less than the following:

    • Polygamy will be here to stay.
    • Marrying farm animals, or other animals will happen. GUARANTEED.
    • What about guy friends who get married just for the benefits?
    • God disapproves of it.


    Yeah keep laughing at the polygamy argument....just keep an eye on the Muslim population in America while you do

    It won't be white pedophile cultists in Idaho making the argument from their compound.

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    Re: Vermont legalizes gay marriage with veto override

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Yeah keep laughing at the polygamy argument....just keep an eye on the Muslim population in America while you do
    Isn't that what Christians are for?

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    Re: Vermont legalizes gay marriage with veto override

    Quote Originally Posted by The Jovial One View Post
    The tide is beginning to turn. More and more states are starting to realize that denying basic rights to some means NO one is free.
    Gay marriage is not a civil rights issue.

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    Re: Vermont legalizes gay marriage with veto override

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    That seems kind of odd to me. Of the hot-button topics in America today, that seems like an obvious one to take up. Either rule that gay marriage bans are unconstitutional or officially declare that it's up to the states. What are they waiting for?
    They want individual states to solve their own problem........I don't believe its as big a problem as you made it......Most states have shot it down...............President Clinton signed the Defense of Marriage act which was almost approved unanimously...............Obama is even against it...........Only a couple of states have approved it............
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    Re: Vermont legalizes gay marriage with veto override

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I understand that, but surely some case are on their way to the Supreme Court?

    I found this article on a quick google search, and it vaguely insinuates that such cases have reached the SCOTUS, but that the court refused to take it.



    FACTBOX: U.S. laws on gay marriage, civil unions | U.S. | Reuters
    The Supreme Court has indirectly addressed the issue, but it held no legal value. This is from a previous post of mine:

    I believe that when the Supreme Court is faced with the issue of same-sex marriage, with the current make-up of the Court, it will rule in favor of it.

    The last significant ruling on gay rights was with Lawrence and Garner v. Texas (Regarding homosexuals in general): "Their right to liberty under the Due Process Clause gives them the full right to engage in their conduct without intervention of the government," wrote Justice Kennedy. "The Texas statute furthers no legitimate state interest which can justify its intrusion into the personal and private life of the individual."

    Justice Kennedy: "In Planned Parenthood of Southeastern Pa. v. Casey, 505 U. S. 833 (1992), the Court reaffirmed the substantive force of the liberty protected by the Due Process Clause. The Casey decision again confirmed that our laws and tradition afford constitutional protection to personal decisions relating to marriage, procreation, contraception, family relationships, child rearing, and education. In explaining the respect the Constitution demands for the autonomy of the person in making these choices, we stated as follows:

    'These matters, involving the most intimate and personal choices a person may make in a lifetime, choices central to personal dignity and autonomy, are central to the liberty protected by the Fourteenth Amendment. At the heart of liberty is the right to define one's own concept of existence, of meaning, of the universe, and of the mystery of human life. Beliefs about these matters could not define the attributes of personhood were they formed under compulsion of the State.'"

    Six justices signed onto the majority in Lawrence and Garner v. Texas. Only one justice, Sandra Day O'Connor, wrote a separate concurring opinion stating the government had a right to regulate marriage. All five justices who signed the majority, without the concurrence, are still on the Court (Kennedy, Breyer, Souter, Stevens, Ginsgurg).

    LAWRENCE ET AL. v. TEXAS 539 U.S. 558 -- US Supreme Court Cases from Justia & Oyez

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