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    Re: Vermont legalizes gay marriage with veto override

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    News Flash: The California Supreme Court found gay marriage to be a Constitutional right. That's old news.
    However, SCOTUS hasn't despite having cases they could've taken to make a ruling on it. If people want to bring legal action against California they can take it to the Supreme Court. But the highest court in the land currently has not stated it as a constitutional right.

    Unless you're meaning the fact that the Cali supreme court found it violated the STATES consitution...in which case your use of Consitutional, with its clear implication with the big C of being referencing the United States Consitution, seems to be a big dishonest or at the very least decieving.

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    Re: Vermont legalizes gay marriage with veto override

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    However, SCOTUS hasn't despite having cases they could've taken to make a ruling on it. If people want to bring legal action against California they can take it to the Supreme Court. But the highest court in the land currently has not stated it as a constitutional right.

    Unless you're meaning the fact that the Cali supreme court found it violated the STATES consitution...in which case your use of Consitutional, with its clear implication with the big C of being referencing the United States Consitution, seems to be a big dishonest or at the very least decieving.

    Yes...I am referring the the California Constituion.

    There is no "implication with the big C" referencing the U.S. Constitution.

    What I was commenting on was Navy's comment that it is common for the voters to change the Constitution when "activist judges" go against the will of the people.
    My comment was, other than prop 8 where has that EVER been the case?
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    Re: Vermont legalizes gay marriage with veto override

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Other than prop 8...when have Constitutional rights EVER been put to a popular vote in this country?
    There are many...............every state constitutional amendment against gay marriage was decided by popular vote DD............There are close to 30 including one of the biggest liberals states in the union in Oregon.........


    Oh and approved by huge majorities...........
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    Re: Vermont legalizes gay marriage with veto override

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    If that were true the DEA wouldn't be raiding Cannabis Clubs in CA.
    And it was the conservatives who voted against the DEA in that case. Your guys were a-ok with it.


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    Yes...I am referring the the California Constituion.

    There is no "implication with the big C" referencing the U.S. Constitution.

    What I was commenting on was Navy's comment that it is common for the voters to change the Constitution when "activist judges" go against the will of the people.
    My comment was, other than prop 8 where has that EVER been the case?
    People amend laws in response to court decisions constantly. The fact that most of them deal with statutory issues rather than constitutional issues is merely a reflection of the fact that it's difficult to amend constitutions.
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    Re: Vermont legalizes gay marriage with veto override

    I guess pork will now be the official meat of Vermont.
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    Re: Vermont legalizes gay marriage with veto override

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    There are many...............every state constitutional amendment against gay marriage was decided by popular vote DD............There are close to 30 including one of the biggest liberals states in the union in Oregon.........


    Oh and approved by huge majorities...........
    Sorry Navy...none of those amendments took away Constitutional rights. They were for lack of better terminology "pre-emptive strikes".

    Oh...and we all know to take it with a grain of salt when you use the term "HUGE".
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    Re: Vermont legalizes gay marriage with veto override

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    And it was the conservatives who voted against the DEA in that case. Your guys were a-ok with it.




    People amend laws in response to court decisions constantly. The fact that most of them deal with statutory issues rather than constitutional issues is merely a reflection of the fact that it's difficult to amend constitutions.

    As it should be. I don't dispute that statutory issues are often amended. However, the comment was raised in response to Navy's argument that Constitutional rights have often been subject to a "popular vote", which is wrong. Outside of prop 8, I don't know of a single case where Constitutional rights have been put to a popular 50%+1 vote.
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    Re: Vermont legalizes gay marriage with veto override

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    As it should be. I don't dispute that statutory issues are often amended. However, the comment was raised in response to Navy's argument that Constitutional rights have often been subject to a "popular vote", which is wrong. Outside of prop 8, I don't know of a single case where Constitutional rights have been put to a popular 50%+1 vote.
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    Most states have provisions saying that their constitutions can be amended by referendum.
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    Re: Vermont legalizes gay marriage with veto override

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
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    Most states have provisions saying that their constitutions can be amended by referendum.
    But give an example of any time where a person's Constitutional Rights have been eliminated by a referendum (other than prop 8).

    If I'm wrong....then I'm wrong. But I don't know of a single case in this country (other than prop 8) where Constititutional rights have been eliminated by a 50%+1 popular vote.
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    Re: Vermont legalizes gay marriage with veto override

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    And it was the conservatives who voted against the DEA in that case. Your guys were a-ok with it.
    My guys? Who are my guys and what were they a-ok with?

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