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    Re: Vermont legalizes gay marriage with veto override

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Yes there is, most people in this country don't support gay marriage.
    What two consenting adults want to do that doesn't harm anyone else isn't anyone else's business. That includes having the freedom to enter into contracts, and marriage is nothing but a contract.

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    Re: Vermont legalizes gay marriage with veto override

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Heterosexual marriage has been the standard for how long?
    Why?

    When homosexual partners can procreate with one another, I'll be first to grant them the right to marriage.

    Where do we draw the line when it comes to marriage?

    Brother & Brother?
    Sister & Sister?
    Brother & Sister?
    Cousins?
    Fathers and daughters?
    Mothers and sons?
    Mothers and daughters?
    Fathers and sons?
    Adults and juveniles?
    Aunts and Uncles with nieces and nephews?
    Grandparents and other immediate family members?
    All irrelevant to the discussion at hand, which is the marriage of two non-related homos or lesbians.

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    Re: Vermont legalizes gay marriage with veto override

    Quote Originally Posted by BulletWounD View Post
    It doesn't matter. If it were an orientation-neutral orgy like Mardi Gras has become, you might have a point. It's undeniable that the image perpetuated by gay pride parades is detrimental to those gays that do not fit the stereotype.
    I don't find the imagery portrayed at Pride parades offensive or detrimental at all. I find it entertaining and fun. In all the cities I've lived in, the Pride parade is a great event where people of all ages, orientations, races, genders, etc. come together to have a bit of harmless fun. It's the one period of the year where people who are normally disapproved of by the rest of society get to shamelessly express who they are without feeling insecure. It's not just a party anyway, as these events always have activists and educated members of the community present who are working to educate the public on important issues.

    What a fraction of the gay population chooses to do for a few days out of the year has no bearing on their rights in the nation. They can have a party in the street all they want, and you have no right to tell them not to. Additionally, the events they organize are not a precursor to whether or not they are deserving of the right to marry.

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    Re: Vermont legalizes gay marriage with veto override

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    All irrelevant to the discussion at hand, which is the marriage of two non-related homos or lesbians.
    No... it's relevant because people want to change the law and the norm of society for millennia, and if this norm is to be discarded on a political whim, what else do you want to discard?

    Most of us believe it is between a man and a woman.
    That is our line in the sand.

    What is your line in the sand and why?

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    Re: Vermont legalizes gay marriage with veto override

    No... it's relevant because people want to change the law and the norm of society for millennia, and if this norm is to be discarded on a political whim, what else do you want to discard?
    What used to be norm for society a "millennia" ago is considered backwards and wrong to society today. Modern society is different to how society was then, and our laws and policies have adapted to better suit us. Allowing homosexual marriage is just another change in policy being adapted to better suit our ever changing society. Not to change laws to allow homosexuals to marry because its been like that for a long time is hardly an excuse. Its just evidence that you have no argument.

    Most of us believe it is between a man and a woman.
    That is our line in the sand.

    What is your line in the sand and why?
    Gays amount to 1 in every 10 people. It seems your line in the sand isnt the only one.
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    Re: Vermont legalizes gay marriage with veto override

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    No... it's relevant because people want to change the law and the norm of society for millennia, and if this norm is to be discarded on a political whim, what else do you want to discard?
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    Ages ago females were considered property under the law.

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    Re: Vermont legalizes gay marriage with veto override

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Ages ago females were considered property under the law.
    You mean they no longer do?
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    Re: Vermont legalizes gay marriage with veto override

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    You mean they no longer do?
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    Re: Vermont legalizes gay marriage with veto override

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    No... it's relevant because people want to change the law and the norm of society for millennia, and if this norm is to be discarded on a political whim, what else do you want to discard?

    Most of us believe it is between a man and a woman.
    That is our line in the sand.

    What is your line in the sand and why?

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    "Marriage" can stay between a man and a woman. You can have that word and define it however you want for all I care. I just want the law out of it. It's not the role of government to define what a "marriage" is, for you, me, or anyone else.

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    Re: Vermont legalizes gay marriage with veto override

    Quote Originally Posted by Binary_Digit View Post
    I think a better question is: Why should the state be in the business of "recognizing" who is fit to marry in the first place? Or what the definition of "marriage" is? Or even deciding anything about marriage whatsoever?

    Ok, so that was 3 questions, but I think they're all better.
    Of course, I agree with you 100%. I was merely throwing a wrench in their argument.

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