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"We do not consider ourselves a christian nation", says Obama

So, if the people who happened to build my computer in the factory just happened to be christians, my computer is a CHRISTIAN computer?

If the process of building the computer and the decisions on how to design it were shaped by their religious beliefs, then yea, I'd say you could call it a "Christian computer."
 
Perhaps I do not understand what you are saying.

Of a certainty I do not like what you are saying--too much the sounds of anger and of hate.

When you say that you don't understand what I am saying but of a certainty you don't like what I am saying you are exactly expressing senseless anger and blind hatred.

You do understand what I am saying, and you hate me for being coherent and correct and for destroying your blind beliefs. It must hurt, but it is not my goal, my goal is to be coherent and correct; if it hurts try to change or just run. Also atheists counter the pain by posting juvenile utterances here is an example http://www.debatepolitics.com/religion-philosophy/45204-science-religion-enemies-morality.html
and here - you can learn how to do such things from this guy http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...tian-nation-says-obama-13.html#post1057984297
gogle for a cartoon...
I don't know how else I can easy your pain.
 
Picking a source – like dictionary, - which has to be void of historical details and perspective, because it is not the task of a dictionary to provide historical details or perspective clearly demonstrates your intellectual dishonesty.
The etymology of a word is the history of that word. It is the evolution of that word.

But please – pay attention to the bolded red. From Latin. The church teachings were written in Latin, then each language has translated them.
The Torah was written in Ancient Hebrew. The New Testament was written first in Greek then translated to Latin--which language, by the way, predates the birth of Jesus of Nazareth by at least 500 years.

Secular is Svetsky in Russian (translated from both Greek and Latin in the same way) , Anglo-French seculer Welsh hoedl - it is in the same way referring to activities outside the Church, activities which are not regulated by the Bible, are not belonging to the affairs of the Church, which are not spiritual, which are worldly.
Secular distinguishes temporal from ecclesiastical. It is not intrinsic to any church, any creed, nor any system of belief. Religious authorities are ecclesiastical, political authorities are secular--regardless of the religion.

4. Paul did not ever mentioned organization of a state or government
Paul did address government. Romans 13:1-7. As for Christian prayers while driving....seems fitting when confronted by Houston drivers.

Using the Sermon to insult an opponent in a debate is quite a perversion, the same perversion as when you find yourself meek while addressing me with ‘’impiety of your intolerance and narrowmindness’’; there is no meekness is in your words, but a demonstration of a reality comprehension problem. If you wish to be blessed as a meek you don’t start from throwing insults or what you think are insults. I am intolerant, JC was intolerant, too; it is not like he said ‘’blessed be the murderers, thieves and child molesters’’.
I am not meek. I am also not a Christian. I am, however, in most regards, a tolerant man, and will countenance a great many things. I do not countenance hatred; your words reek of hatred. I reject your words; I oppose them, and I oppose you. That is the order of things.

Your misrepresentation of the Sermon is another demonstration of your reading comprehension problem, - The message of the Sermon is: REJOICE. Read. And Rejoice.
My message: Hatred is wrong; you are wrong. Set aside your hatred, then we may all rejoice.
 
If the process of building the computer and the decisions on how to design it were shaped by their religious beliefs, then yea, I'd say you could call it a "Christian computer."

The concept of binary calculations used in writing software (when absence of software makes a computer to be a piece of junk metal and plastic), was developed by a Christian creationists scientist and mathematician Leibniz. Actually he was not a scientist and mathematician ( one of most fundamental ones) but he was a Christian theologian; scientific and mathematical achievements (one of the greatest) were byproducts of his thoughts about God. Atheists shouldn’t use computers.
 
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The concept of binary calculations used in writing software (when absence of software makes a computer to be a piece of junk metal and plastic), was developed by a Christian creationists scientist and mathematician Leibniz. Actually he was not a scientist and mathematician ( one of most fundamental ones) but he was a Christian theologian; scientific and mathematical achievements (one of the greatest) were byproducts of his thoughts about God. Atheists shouldn’t use computers.
If software is from God, how do you explain Windows Vista?
 
Fundamentalists re-write history to suite their own ideological needs.

I don't know what you're trying to imply as you're not doing a good job of it.
 
Regardless of whether America is or is not a "Christian nation," a lot of people do consider America a "Christian nation" with principles fully in line with Christianity. Obama would have done much better if he had said "I do not consider the U.S. a Christian nation." He cannot speak for all the members of the government, let alone all the people of America.

It is irrelevant whether "a lot of people consider America to be a Christian nation", it doesn't make it so.
America is not a "Christian nation" any more than it is a "Jewish Nation" or a "Muslim Nation" or a "Buddhist nation". America is a multi-cultural, multi-ethnic and multi-religious country. I realize that there are very vocal right-wing fundamentalists that would love to make this Country a "Christian Nation", but Thankfully we have a Constitution that prevents that.

Obama was 100% right. Its refreshing to have a President who actually understands and respects the US Constitution.
 
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It is irrelevant whether "a lot of people consider America to be a Christian nation", it doesn't make it so.
America is not a "Christian nation" any more than it is a "Jewish Nation" or a "Muslim Nation" or a "Buddhist nation". America is a multi-cultural, multi-ethnic and multi-religious country. I realize that there are very vocal right-wing fundamentalists that would love to make this Country a "Christian Nation", but Thankfully we have a Constitution that prevents that.

Obama was 100% right. Its refreshing to have a President who actually understands and respects the US Constitution.

Again, that's your point of view. A lot of Americans believe that the US is in fact a "Christian nation." He is not 100% right in saying "We don't consider the US a Christian nation." He could have added the word "generally" in there to make it closer to the truth.

Most of us are Christians. Our principles are generally in line with Christianity. I don't think calling the US a "Christian nation" is too far off.

We may live under a secular state, but we are a Christian nation.
 
Again, that's your point of view. A lot of Americans believe that the US is in fact a "Christian nation." He is not 100% right in saying "We don't consider the US a Christian nation." He could have added the word "generally" in there to make it closer to the truth.

Most of us are Christians. Our principles are generally in line with Christianity. I don't think calling the US a "Christian nation" is too far off.

We may live under a secular state, but we are a Christian nation.

Sorry...but we are not a Christian nation...never have been and hopefully never will. I myself am Christian, but I am thankful to live in a Country that is multi-religious and allows people the right to choose whatever religion they choose to practice. Regardless whether you or any other American believe we are a Christian nation is irrelevant...and to put it bluntly rather egocentric. It is THAT attitude that give Christians a bad name and why while I am a Christian will never identify myself as "Christian". It is the attitude that our particular religion should have greater significance than others because more of us practice it. That view stands in direct opposition to the principles that this Country stands for.
 
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Sorry...but we are not a Christian nation...never have been and hopefully never will. I myself am Christian, but I am thankful to live in a Country that is multi-religious and allows people the right to choose whatever religion they choose to practice. Regardless whether you or any other American believe we are a Christian nation is irrelevant...and to put it bluntly rather egocentric. It is THAT attitude that give Christians a bad name and why while I am a Christian will never identify myself as "Christian". It is the attitude that our particular religion should have greater significance than others because more of us practice it. That view stands in direct opposition to the principles that this Country stands for.

I really wish more Christians were like you:cool:
 
I really wish more Christians were like you:cool:

Thanks!....I think if more "Christians" were more like Christ and followed his teachings rather than politicizing his name for their right-wing agenda....the world and this nation would be a much better place.
 
he is merely emphasising the seperation of state and religion as a point of simmilarity with Turkey, and underscoring his aproval of this seperation.
There is nothing objectionable in his words.
 
I do believe that Islam has shaped Obama.

That is why he said Islam Has Shaped the U.S.A. He says...“We will convey,” said Barack Obama to the Turkish Parliament Monday, “our deep appreciation for the Islamic faith, which has done so much over the centuries to shape the world — including in my own country.”...

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles...D-268E2A39A205

I think he was referring to the muslim golden age and how progression in the sciences and art during that period have contributed to the world.
 
Well by the same logic then we are also a white nation, a poor nation, and swiftly becoming aan obese nation.... just curious should we be touting ourselves as such? As long as were talking about demographics.

LOL...
America is far and wide the most prosperous nation.
Let's say it was first place, there is no second, and those in third place are a weak third.

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Still waiting to see what makes it specifically "christian" as opposed to Jewish.

It grew from a foundation of Christian people, our documents were crafted by Christians, and though our government is not Christian, it is largely a Christian land... hence making Obama's statements dead wrong.

It was a dumb thing for him to say; but he's adept at saying dumb things at the wrong time.

Bush may have bumbled with words, Obama bumbles content... with regularity.

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Like you would know anything about it. Damn woman, you're not American and you want to change the country you're in. You're the last person around here to lecture us on a set of principles.

So, shall we assume you will no longer be commenting on the policies or positions of any country in the world other than the US? I suppose I will now have to watch all of your posts.
 
We may live under a secular state, but we are a Christian nation.

No. We live in a secular nation that is based on Judeo-Christian principles and a nation of Christians...and Jews, and Muslims, etc...
 
Obama is not only weak, but he made a stupid statement here:

"We do not consider ourselves a christian nation"

He could have easily stated that we are a diverse nation, one in which we, the people, are protected to freely choose our own religious denomination.

His statement certainly doesn't represent me, or my thoughts on the subject.
 
What Obama said is accurate. That is all.
 
No. We live in a secular nation that is based on Judeo-Christian principles and a nation of Christians...and Jews, and Muslims, etc...


That's self contradicting. Any nation based on principles of religion is a Theocracy. Also, what are the Judeo-Christian principles being claimed?
 
Obama is not only weak, but he made a stupid statement here:

"We do not consider ourselves a christian nation"

He could have easily stated that we are a diverse nation, one in which we, the people, are protected to freely choose our own religious denomination.

His statement certainly doesn't represent me, or my thoughts on the subject.


Where is the source/link for that specific quote?
 
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