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    Re: "We do not consider ourselves a christian nation", says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Really, and what is the US number.....and please include private contributions not just the US govt.
    You asked about foreign aid and I gave it to you now you want to shift goal posts,

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    Re: "We do not consider ourselves a christian nation", says Obama

    Got a link, got a US number?
    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
    "Fly-over" country voted, and The Donald is now POTUS.

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    Re: "We do not consider ourselves a christian nation", says Obama

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    Got a link, got a US number?
    I'm not doing your homework for you.

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    Re: "We do not consider ourselves a christian nation", says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    They wrote it that way because it was inconceivable to them that anyone could consider generic governmental support for Christian morals to fall within the description of an "establishment of religion." Society was very different back then, and a large part of the misconceptions that exist today come from trying to look at their words and actions from our modern perspective.
    This is one of my issues with Libertarians of recent years. They try to make out that the Founders are some kind of deities; omniscient being that know all of everything forever and ever. They try and judge what the thought process was 200+ years ago based on their thought processes now and on the modern day, seemingly because somehow the Founders were so singularly intelligent that unlike any group of people alive they were able to know how things would be two centuries later.

    The Founders were incredibly intelligent people, and great thinkers, but I think we actually do them a disservice when so many people treat them as if they are some sort of gods.

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    So, informing the Turks that we aren't a nation of zealot Christians makes us look weak.

    I'll bet you look up to Iran as the strongest country in the world huh?
    Yes, naturally. By saying "we're a Christian nation" must automatically mean we're a bunch of zealots. That's exactly what saying that means. Jesus Christ, your anti-christian prejudice is as bad as the fundy's that try to push their views on everyone with this ignorant and idiotic hyperbole of yours.

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    Re: "We do not consider ourselves a christian nation", says Obama

    Maybe because we both know you're full of ****. SA gives $48B over 12 years, while we give more than that every year. Here's a list that I quickly found, that doesn't even have a single Muslim country listed. Probably because their giving is so pathetically puny.

    Per Capita Foreign Aid Assistance by World's Wealthiest Countries, 2002 — Infoplease.com
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    Re: "We do not consider ourselves a christian nation", says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    How much foreign aid does Iran, Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Turkey give to the world? How about the US? Charity is a Christian value that we practice all the time. Who is usually always Johnny on the Spot to help others....yeah that's right, the US. How many Muslim countries do you see flying to the rescue of anyone? How much freedom of religion exists in Muslims countries?
    I'm confused how exactly does this explain away the apparent contradiction between the 1st amendment and the 1st commandment?

    EDIT: Or am I simply mistaken about the commandments being the foundation of "Christian values"?

    Edit 2: And since when do the Christians hold the monopoly on charity?

    Edit 3: Lol sorry too hastily typed out without much forethought... I must be getting tired.... How does the "Anyone who doesn't believe in Jesus Christ as their personal savior is going to hell" philosophy somehow morph Freedom of religion into a christian value?
    Last edited by Thinkforyourself; 04-07-09 at 10:43 AM.

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    Re: "We do not consider ourselves a christian nation", says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    America is largely a Christian nation.
    Demographically, America is a Christian nation.

    We do not have a "Christian" government. The First Amendment, in proscribing the power of government to regulate religion, by implication prohibits this.

    Sad that the presumptive Constitutional scholar sitting in the Oval Office is unable to make the distinction.

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    Re: "We do not consider ourselves a christian nation", says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Demographically, America is a Christian nation.
    Well by the same logic then we are also a white nation, a poor nation, and swiftly becoming aan obese nation.... just curious should we be touting ourselves as such? As long as were talking about demographics.

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    Re: "We do not consider ourselves a christian nation", says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    How much foreign aid does Iran, Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Turkey give to the world? How about the US? Charity is a Christian value that we practice all the time. Who is usually always Johnny on the Spot to help others....yeah that's right, the US. How many Muslim countries do you see flying to the rescue of anyone? How much freedom of religion exists in Muslims countries?
    Charity is one of the 5 pillars of Islam.
    Emphasis added.

    "The religion of one age is the literary entertainment of the next."
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    Re: "We do not consider ourselves a christian nation", says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Maybe because we both know you're full of ****. SA gives $48B over 12 years, while we give more than that every year. Here's a list that I quickly found, that doesn't even have a single Muslim country listed. Probably because their giving is so pathetically puny.

    Per Capita Foreign Aid Assistance by World's Wealthiest Countries, 2002 — Infoplease.com
    Maybe because ME countries are not on the list be cause they among the richest nations. BTW Saudi Arabia is 45 out 50 among the richest nations.


    World Richest Countries at cyList

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