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    Re: "We do not consider ourselves a christian nation", says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Not much to be frustrated about your posts since they seldom add any value. All you do is run around here brown-nosing your liberal friends.
    You are wrong. I am an equal opportunity brown-noser, which includes my conservative friends.

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    Re: "We do not consider ourselves a christian nation", says Obama

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    Good day to you.
    Its based on rational values, not Christian values. To say its based on christian values is to say seperation of church and state is not practised in America.
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    Re: "We do not consider ourselves a christian nation", says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Its based on rational values, not Christian values. To say its based on christian values is to say seperation of church and state is not practised in America.
    So Christian values aren't rational? What are you, nuts or something? Do you even think about your liberal talking points before saying them? Please spare me the separation crap, we've already been over that Jefferson Danbury Baptists letter. The separation is government from religion, not religion from government. Otherwise that would mean every government official would have to give up their religion. Don't be ridiculous.
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    Re: "We do not consider ourselves a christian nation", says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You don't speak with any authority. "American law is not based on blah blah blah, and the rest you have no clue what you're talking about. Next you'll bring out the flat-earthers thing. The American culture that has developed over 300 years is Christian. Our laws reflect that culture.
    Is that why the first Commandment and the First Amendment contradict each other?

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    Re: "We do not consider ourselves a christian nation", says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    So Christian values aren't rational? What are you, nuts or something? Do you even think about your liberal talking points before saying them? Please spare me the separation crap, we've already been over that Jefferson Danbury Baptists letter. The separation is government from religion, not religion from government. Otherwise that would mean every government official would have to give up their religion. Don't be ridiculous.
    I would argue that some christian values aren't rational... matter of fact I would argue that most peoples "values" don't reside in the realm of rational thought although this is is not the thread for that discussion.

    Take for instance the 10 commandments, i think its safe to assume the are the basis of "christian values" are they not? So, one need not look any further than the 1st commandment of "Thou shalt have no other gods before me" Now if this truly were a nation built off of "christian values" as you claim wouldn't the 1st amendment generally be spitting in the face of the very 1st of commandments as there are a great number of religions that do not believe in the same God as Christians do? And I believe that our founding fathers were not ignorant to the existence of other religions that didn't recognize the Christian God yet specifically allowed their inclusion to our society with the passing of the 1st Amendment.

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    Re: "We do not consider ourselves a christian nation", says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Is that why the first Commandment and the First Amendment contradict each other?
    Damn winston you beat me to it :P

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    Re: "We do not consider ourselves a christian nation", says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post

    Edit: Im not on the left, however, Im intolerant of Christians who are intolerant of others, or christians who somehow think their views and opinions on how the state should be run is priority over another citizen because they are a christian.
    You must be extremely intolerant of most Muslim nations then.

    With that said, I don't have a major problem with what Obama said. I do think he worded it poorly and will hear about it when he gets home. I also am disappointed that he's running around the world trying to ingratiate himself to everyone that will listen. As someone else said, he is making himself and this country look weak and naive. He's did it with his foolish overtures to Iran and Russia, and now he's continuing it in other countries. I'm afraid he's inviting trouble.

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    Re: "We do not consider ourselves a christian nation", says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Thinkforyourself View Post
    I would argue that some christian values aren't rational... matter of fact I would argue that most peoples "values" don't reside in the realm of rational thought although this is is not the thread for that discussion.

    Take for instance the 10 commandments, i think its safe to assume the are the basis of "christian values" are they not? So, one need not look any further than the 1st commandment of "Thou shalt have no other gods before me" Now if this truly were a nation built off of "christian values" as you claim wouldn't the 1st amendment generally be spitting in the face of the very 1st of commandments as there are a great number of religions that do not believe in the same God as Christians do? And I believe that our founding fathers were not ignorant to the existence of other religions that didn't recognize the Christian God yet specifically allowed their inclusion to our society with the passing of the 1st Amendment.
    How much foreign aid does Iran, Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Turkey give to the world? How about the US? Charity is a Christian value that we practice all the time. Who is usually always Johnny on the Spot to help others....yeah that's right, the US. How many Muslim countries do you see flying to the rescue of anyone? How much freedom of religion exists in Muslims countries?
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    Re: "We do not consider ourselves a christian nation", says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    How much foreign aid does Saudi Arabia, give to the world?
    Quit a bit actually:

    Between 1975 to 1987, Saudi developmental aid amounted to US$48 billion, second only to the United States of America

    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_foreign_assistance]Saudi foreign assistance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

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    Re: "We do not consider ourselves a christian nation", says Obama

    Really, and what is the US number.....and please include private contributions not just the US govt.
    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
    "Fly-over" country voted, and The Donald is now POTUS.

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