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    Re: "We do not consider ourselves a christian nation", says Obama

    USA is not a Christian nation by strict definition. We have some of the highest Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, you name it populations in the world.

    We are though a Christian nation in every other sense.(basis of law, etc)

    The President of the USA should not be denying what the USA is in order to pander to the beliefs of another part of the world.

    Overall its a continuation of Obama policy 101.
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    Re: "We do not consider ourselves a christian nation", says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Triad View Post
    USA is not a Christian nation by strict definition. We have some of the highest Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, you name it populations in the world.

    We are though a Christian nation in every other sense.(basis of law, etc)

    The President of the USA should not be denying what the USA is in order to pander to the beliefs of another part of the world.

    Overall its a continuation of Obama policy 101.
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    People always say we are a christian nation and reference our "basis of law"

    Tell me what is uniquely "christian" about our basis of law opposed to say, Jewish?
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    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: "We do not consider ourselves a christian nation", says Obama

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    Re: "We do not consider ourselves a christian nation", says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    America isn't a Christian Nation, it is a Secular Nation. This is true by the very nature of the constitution.

    I would have issues if he stated we were not a country rooted in Christian Beliefs, because that one is patently false. From numerous members of the founding fathers to the damn near majority of initial citizens that helped shape the foundations and bedrock of this country, this country's roots were founded on Christian thoughts and moral compasses. To say other than that would've been flat out pandering in my view; however saying we're not a "christian" nation is correct as we are not a nation directly sponsoring a particular religion.

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    I agree with your view of The United States being a secular nation. I do not agree that we could know for sure what people believed in who lived over 200 years ago. To say we do seems a bit arrogant to me.

    I also do not believe that "this country's roots were founded on Christian thoughts and moral compasses." The United States was founded on the Constitution, and religious rhetoric was left out of it. Many state constitutions included religious clauses in them, but that does not mean their laws are based on them. Laws are based on common human desire, it just so happens that religion is based on the same thing.

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    Re: "We do not consider ourselves a christian nation", says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    People always say we are a christian nation and reference our "basis of law"

    Tell me what is uniquely "christian" about our basis of law opposed to say, Jewish?
    "Nation" means the total society, not government.

    There is noting uniquely Christian about our laws, but that isn't what "Christian nation" means anyway.

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    Re: "We do not consider ourselves a christian nation", says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    So i have to be a American to have an opinion on US??
    So i assume Americans cannot now discuss Iraq, Iran or Europe seeing they are neither?

    Like i would know anything? Do you deny anything i just stated as false?
    The United States has a strict church state seperation, even you would know that no?
    Christianity is not the defining feature of US, It's Constitution is. Oh and seeing i just finished a 2 year study into the US political system, i assure you i know something

    Should i be worried a American has deluded himself into thinking US was founded on a religion?
    This is actually a popular misconception. The Founding Fathers never intended to create a separation of Church and state, strict or otherwise.

    The same week that Congress enacted the First Amendment, they also allocated federal funds to hire a minister to handle morning prayers at the Capitol.
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    Re: "We do not consider ourselves a christian nation", says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    "Nation" means the total society, not government.

    There is noting uniquely Christian about our laws, but that isn't what "Christian nation" means anyway.
    if you read the 2nd line of the post I quoted you'd understand where my question came from.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: "We do not consider ourselves a christian nation", says Obama

    I'm Christian (not "Christian) and do not believe that this Country is a "Christain Nation".

    I think anyone who understands that this Country has something called "Freedom of Religion" would understand that.
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    Re: "We do not consider ourselves a christian nation", says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    This is actually a popular misconception. The Founding Fathers never intended to create a separation of Church and state, strict or otherwise.

    The same week that Congress enacted the First Amendment, they also allocated federal funds to hire a minister to handle morning prayers at the Capitol.
    Then why did they pass the First Amendment? It would seem to me that if they did not intend for a separation to exist, they would have included religious rhetoric in favor of it, or at least not allowed the Establishment Clause to get through.

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    Re: "We do not consider ourselves a christian nation", says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex View Post
    Then why did they pass the First Amendment? It would seem to me that if they did not intend for a separation to exist, they would have included religious rhetoric in favor of it, or at least not allowed the Establishment Clause to get through.
    The Establishment Clause was passed because Congress didn't want the government to declare a particular religious sect as the new national religion. Members of minority Christian sects were worried that they would be forced to financially support another Christian sect. They weren't opposed to the idea of government supporting Christianity generally.
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