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"We do not consider ourselves a christian nation", says Obama

Laila said:
Your first amendment sets out what i just said
Would you like me to quote it? Did you forget it?
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion ... "

God, i hope not all conservatives are like you
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Don't worry. They are not. Even cons get frustrated/angry with American's posts.
 
Laila said:
Well done Obama - I love this man.



The United States is not a Christian nation. It is one built on secular beliefs. There is a church and state seperation.
Don't mistake a country with a christian majority to mean it IS a christian country.

I'm tuning into FOX. I want to see the reaction, i'm almost breathless to see how they twist it.
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I agree completely Laila. Thats how i see Turkey too, its a mainly muslim majority country but the country itself is not muslim (being secular). Spot on case. Thats how i view much of the west too, and thats how america should be viewed also.
 
America and its laws are based on Christian values.
I don't see Sharia law being used as the baseboard. Might make divorce law simpler.
I don't see Hindu based law.
Buddhist based law...

America is largely a Christian nation.

Obama just pissed off Christians of all stripes with that one, because I'd venture a poll would reveal Americans think otherwise. It's largely a Christian nation tolerant of other religions; but one where many on the left are intolerant of Christianity.

We know Obama is hostile to American values, and each chip he takes out of her will one day amount to a mosaic of the radical Obama is.

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zimmer said:
America and its laws are based on Christian values.
I don't see Sharia law being used as the baseboard. Might make divorce law simpler.
I don't see Hindu based law.
Buddhist based law...

America is largely a Christian nation.

Obama just pissed off Christians of all stripes with that one, because I'd venture a poll would reveal Americans think otherwise. It's largely a Christian nation tolerant of other religions; but one where many on the left are intolerant of Christianity.

We know Obama is hostile to American values, and each chip he takes out of her will one day amount to a mosaic of the radical Obama is.

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And again I shall ask............

What about our nation's laws make it "christian" as opposed to jewish?

Edit: Im not on the left, however, Im intolerant of Christians who are intolerant of others, or christians who somehow think their views and opinions on how the state should be run is priority over another citizen because they are a christian.
 
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All this time Obama talks about his favorite President and guiding light being Lincoln, and here he goes quoting Jefferson.

American law is not based on "Christian values" and never has been. That's revisionist history borne of the kind of thinker who believes that King James was "divinely inspired" in his revisions of the Bible and thinks Jesus would have supported the Flat Tax. American law is based on the English Common Law, which has its roots in values that predated the Norman invasion of England; many of our Constitutionally protected rights are traditional liberties that the Crown had only recently begun to restrict.

America's values derive from the liberal thinkers of the Enlightenment and the belief that each man is sovereign unto himself-- a direct contradiction to most forms of religious thought.
 
aps said:
Don't worry. They are not. Even cons get frustrated/angry with American's posts.
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Not much to be frustrated about your posts since they seldom add any value. All you do is run around here brown-nosing your liberal friends.
 
American said:
Not much to be frustrated about your posts since they seldom add any value. All you do is run around here brown-nosing your liberal friends.
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still waiting for someone to show me how our laws are based upon Christianity as opposed to Judaism
 
Korimyr the Rat said:
All this time Obama talks about his favorite President and guiding light being Lincoln, and here he goes quoting Jefferson.

American law is not based on "Christian values" and never has been. That's revisionist history borne of the kind of thinker who believes that King James was "divinely inspired" in his revisions of the Bible and thinks Jesus would have supported the Flat Tax. American law is based on the English Common Law, which has its roots in values that predated the Norman invasion of England; many of our Constitutionally protected rights are traditional liberties that the Crown had only recently begun to restrict.

America's values derive from the liberal thinkers of the Enlightenment and the belief that each man is sovereign unto himself-- a direct contradiction to most forms of religious thought.
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You don't speak with any authority. "American law is not based on blah blah blah, and the rest you have no clue what you're talking about. Next you'll bring out the flat-earthers thing. The American culture that has developed over 300 years is Christian. Our laws reflect that culture.
 
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American said:
You don't speak with any authority. "American law is not based on blah blah blah, and the rest you have no clue what you're talking about. Next you'll bring out the flat-earthers thing.
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This is your defense of your statements that American law is based upon christian values?



........................Good day sir....
 
Caine said:
This is your defense of your statements that American law is based upon christian values?



........................Good day sir....
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Good day to you.
 
American said:
Not much to be frustrated about your posts since they seldom add any value. All you do is run around here brown-nosing your liberal friends.
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You are wrong. I am an equal opportunity brown-noser, which includes my conservative friends. :2wave:
 
American said:
Good day to you.
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Its based on rational values, not Christian values. To say its based on christian values is to say seperation of church and state is not practised in America.
 
kaya'08 said:
Its based on rational values, not Christian values. To say its based on christian values is to say seperation of church and state is not practised in America.
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So Christian values aren't rational? What are you, nuts or something? Do you even think about your liberal talking points before saying them? Please spare me the separation crap, we've already been over that Jefferson Danbury Baptists letter. The separation is government from religion, not religion from government. Otherwise that would mean every government official would have to give up their religion. Don't be ridiculous.
 
American said:
You don't speak with any authority. "American law is not based on blah blah blah, and the rest you have no clue what you're talking about. Next you'll bring out the flat-earthers thing. The American culture that has developed over 300 years is Christian. Our laws reflect that culture.
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Is that why the first Commandment and the First Amendment contradict each other?
 
American said:
So Christian values aren't rational? What are you, nuts or something? Do you even think about your liberal talking points before saying them? Please spare me the separation crap, we've already been over that Jefferson Danbury Baptists letter. The separation is government from religion, not religion from government. Otherwise that would mean every government official would have to give up their religion. Don't be ridiculous.
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I would argue that some christian values aren't rational... matter of fact I would argue that most peoples "values" don't reside in the realm of rational thought although this is is not the thread for that discussion.

Take for instance the 10 commandments, i think its safe to assume the are the basis of "christian values" are they not? So, one need not look any further than the 1st commandment of "Thou shalt have no other gods before me" Now if this truly were a nation built off of "christian values" as you claim wouldn't the 1st amendment generally be spitting in the face of the very 1st of commandments as there are a great number of religions that do not believe in the same God as Christians do? And I believe that our founding fathers were not ignorant to the existence of other religions that didn't recognize the Christian God yet specifically allowed their inclusion to our society with the passing of the 1st Amendment.
 
Caine said:
Edit: Im not on the left, however, Im intolerant of Christians who are intolerant of others, or christians who somehow think their views and opinions on how the state should be run is priority over another citizen because they are a christian.
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You must be extremely intolerant of most Muslim nations then.

With that said, I don't have a major problem with what Obama said. I do think he worded it poorly and will hear about it when he gets home. I also am disappointed that he's running around the world trying to ingratiate himself to everyone that will listen. As someone else said, he is making himself and this country look weak and naive. He's did it with his foolish overtures to Iran and Russia, and now he's continuing it in other countries. I'm afraid he's inviting trouble.
 
Thinkforyourself said:
I would argue that some christian values aren't rational... matter of fact I would argue that most peoples "values" don't reside in the realm of rational thought although this is is not the thread for that discussion.

Take for instance the 10 commandments, i think its safe to assume the are the basis of "christian values" are they not? So, one need not look any further than the 1st commandment of "Thou shalt have no other gods before me" Now if this truly were a nation built off of "christian values" as you claim wouldn't the 1st amendment generally be spitting in the face of the very 1st of commandments as there are a great number of religions that do not believe in the same God as Christians do? And I believe that our founding fathers were not ignorant to the existence of other religions that didn't recognize the Christian God yet specifically allowed their inclusion to our society with the passing of the 1st Amendment.
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How much foreign aid does Iran, Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Turkey give to the world? How about the US? Charity is a Christian value that we practice all the time. Who is usually always Johnny on the Spot to help others....yeah that's right, the US. How many Muslim countries do you see flying to the rescue of anyone? How much freedom of religion exists in Muslims countries?
 
American said:
How much foreign aid does Saudi Arabia, give to the world?
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Quit a bit actually:

Between 1975 to 1987, Saudi developmental aid amounted to US$48 billion, second only to the United States of America

[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_foreign_assistance]Saudi foreign assistance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
 
Really, and what is the US number.....and please include private contributions not just the US govt.
 
American said:
Really, and what is the US number.....and please include private contributions not just the US govt.
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You asked about foreign aid and I gave it to you now you want to shift goal posts, :lol:
 
Got a link, got a US number?
 
RightinNYC said:
They wrote it that way because it was inconceivable to them that anyone could consider generic governmental support for Christian morals to fall within the description of an "establishment of religion." Society was very different back then, and a large part of the misconceptions that exist today come from trying to look at their words and actions from our modern perspective.
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This is one of my issues with Libertarians of recent years. They try to make out that the Founders are some kind of deities; omniscient being that know all of everything forever and ever. They try and judge what the thought process was 200+ years ago based on their thought processes now and on the modern day, seemingly because somehow the Founders were so singularly intelligent that unlike any group of people alive they were able to know how things would be two centuries later.

The Founders were incredibly intelligent people, and great thinkers, but I think we actually do them a disservice when so many people treat them as if they are some sort of gods.

Caine said:
So, informing the Turks that we aren't a nation of zealot Christians makes us look weak.

I'll bet you look up to Iran as the strongest country in the world huh?
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Yes, naturally. By saying "we're a Christian nation" must automatically mean we're a bunch of zealots. That's exactly what saying that means. Jesus Christ, your anti-christian prejudice is as bad as the fundy's that try to push their views on everyone with this ignorant and idiotic hyperbole of yours.
 
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