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    Re: "We do not consider ourselves a christian nation", says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by SkyCore View Post
    Iam not missing the point but explaining the claim by showing one cannot reference Christian principles exclusive from theology. A theocracy is formed by referencing a divine being as a basis for it's laws. That is why iraq is a self-defined theocracy because it states point blank in their Constitution islam is the main source of legislation. There is nothing in our Constitution suggesting the same about Christianity. .
    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Those who get pissed off over the simple fact that just because christians built it (the constitution) doesn't make it 'CHRISTIAN' without any other evidence.

    There is nothing to state that the constitution and bill of rights are any evidence of the founders building our constitution based upon christian values.



    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Spot on Caine.
    Atheists state:
    The fact that there is nothing in the Constitution stating that we are a Christian nation proves we are not a Christian nation.

    This statement may astonish anyone who has a minimal rational, if it was not a routine confirmation of total irrationality of atheists.

    No matter how much this statement lacks any rational, it is thanked for by atheists and repeated by atheists. The main problem of arguing to atheists is that they never get exhausted in making irrational statements. One would never think how it is possible to put so much of absurd in each and every sentence they make. They often prevail by sheer amount of their obtuseness they get never exhausted to throw and pile absurd. One very soon finds himself under a pile of total garbage, total absurd- the only product of an atheistic mind.

    The fact that there is nothing in the Constitution stating that we are a Christian nation proves exactly that we are a Christian nation.

    If we and the Founders were atheists or Muslims we would have such a statement (that we are atheists or Muslims) put in a document.


    If there was such a statement in the Constitution, it would make the Republic to be a Christian Republic,- like the Islamic republic of Pakistan or something. That would be against Christian principals of the Founders. That would be against the whole meaning they were putting in Christianity. That would be a proof that we are not founded on Christian principals. Even if some people and states could suggest that, the Founders could not put such a statement in without breaking the integrity of their Christian beliefs.

    Such a statement could be put in by Muslims or by atheists, - but not by Christians. We are all aware about the history of atheists and Muslims fighting each other and Christians to establish Muslim or atheistic theocracy – unification of the government and Islam, or unification of the government and atheism. We all are ware about the struggle of Christians, and first of all Christians of the young America, pioneers against theocracy. We all can see atheistic and Muslim theocracies throughout history and today. We don’t see a Christian theocracy.

    This nation is founded on Christian principals (and one of them was ‘ don’t put a statement about Christianity in the Constitution’), - and by Christians, and the overwhelming majority are Christians today. Only atheists driven by the urge to demonstrate their irrationality and immorality would want a Christian to sign under the statement ‘we are not Christian nation’. Only atheists can suggest that a Christian would want to make an atheist to sign under the statement ‘we are a Christian nation”.

    It is like arguing the statement “we are not a law obedient and guided nation”. It is clear that criminals are coming to post their approval.

    So far atheists are living in a Christian nation which has provided and supported the secular construction of the government of the Republic, the construction which recognizes the unalienable needs of citizen for spirituality and beliefs, which forbids any denial, judgment or intervention of the government with such needs and expressions of thereof. Atheists want to change this nation and the construction of the government of the Republic, they want to abolish the Christian concept of freedom of the spiritual life and beliefs; they want change. The question is to change to what? Should we start from the teachings of atheism that individuals cannot have spiritual needs and beliefs? Obama’s statement means change. He wants, for a change, to make a Christian of this country to agree and say “we (including myself) are not a Christian nation’’. No, obama, I AM a Christian nation, and you are not a Christian nation; you do not represent me and other Christians of this nation, in the same way as criminals posting the declarations that “we are not a law guided nation’’, - because it is not specifically stated in the criminal law, - do not represent this nation. I officially call for you impeachment, as you don’t represent and do not have abilities to represent this nation. I call law guided citizens to stand up against demands of criminals in the way it is provided by the law of the land.

    Obama could say many things which would declare and explain peaceful nature of this nation, including in the statement Christians and everyone else, but he has chosen AGAIN to single out Christians and to demonstrate his hostile and unfriendly attitude towards them.
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    Re: "We do not consider ourselves a christian nation", says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by justone View Post

    This nation is founded on Christian principals (and one of them was ‘ don’t put a statement about Christianity in the Constitution’),
    Is that why the FF's patterned the government after Rome a Pagan Empire?

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    Re: "We do not consider ourselves a christian nation", says Obama

    Nothing he said was incorrect, and actually it is the best thing I've heard from him in a while.

    I don't see how you can make the arguement against anything he is saying, it is pretty clear even if it is the most practiced religion in America does not make America a Christian nation.

    Good job Mr. President, best thing you've said yet.
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    Re: "We do not consider ourselves a christian nation", says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Is that why the FF's patterned the government after Rome a Pagan Empire?
    Quote Originally Posted by Originally Posted by justone
    1. Can you prove that? Can you submit any evidence or rational behind your awareness? You are proving again that atheism is a system of blind beliefs which have no evidence or rational behind them

    2. Can you disprove the given references, documents and historical events which were submitted as a proof that secularism is a Christian concept? You are proving again that atheism is a system of blind beliefs contradicting evidence and rational.
    Sure… rule of aristocracy, distinguished from plebeians, distinguished from slaves, gladiators fights, imperior-god, statues of Venera and Pontius Pilate, death for insulting its highness, crucifixion of Christ,.. etc… they patterned all the main features.

    One can never think what of kind of delirium atheists are capable of producing, until one hears from them, - in schools, colleges, universes, TV programs, until one opens a book from a book store shelf. Only old books on logic and mathematics can protect one from the delirium.

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    Re: "We do not consider ourselves a christian nation", says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by justone
    The fact that there is nothing in the Constitution stating that we are a Christian nation proves exactly that we are a Christian nation.

    ROTFL! How can one even begin to address such logic???? Iam also a Christian so to assume only non-Christians would disagree is pretty scary narcissism.

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    Re: "We do not consider ourselves a christian nation", says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by thabigred View Post
    I don't see how you can make the arguement against anything he is saying, it is pretty clear even if it is the most practiced religion in America does not make America a Christian nation.

    Good job Mr. President, best thing you've said yet.
    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Of course, that presumes that anything Dear Leader says is anything other than a pathetic joke....but that's a different subject, now, isn't it? .
    It seems, celticlord, I was wrong arguing that nobody in right mind would make such a presumption of such a kind.


    Or may be it is a spritual thing? Some kind of shamanism, when no facts or arguments are needed but just shakings and jumping and fainting in thou presence. Anything the Dear Leader says

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Depends on the quality of the scotch.
    Or may be you are also right here, - it does depend. Then we would be dealing with a moonshine quality here. Moonshine quality makes it stink, whatever may be your arguments.

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    Re: "We do not consider ourselves a christian nation", says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by SkyCore View Post
    ROTFL! How can one even begin to address such logic???? Iam also a Christian so to assume only non-Christians would disagree is pretty scary narcissism.
    It is the 2nd or 3rd time you promise to begin, but keep on idling. [quote=SkyCore;1057987960] Disagree with what? And how does it depend on whether you have decided to pretend to be a Christian or an atheist or a Muslim? So far you are submitting the same obama’s argument – ‘look, I am not a Christian, therefore..’
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1057983898
    Quote Originally Posted by Originally Posted by justone
    “History repeats itself twice- the first time as a tragedy, the second time as a farce”. Of course, Obama is totally blank of knowing or understanding any historical concept or any concept. He is a total farce. So we have to remove the real historical context from his statement because it has never entered his mind, - then we have to come to the real concept of his words, which is - ‘look I am not a Christian, therefore…’. Sure, Hussein Obama, you aren’t. You are not representing American concepts and beliefs, neither Christians nor secular ones (originated from Christianity). The same statement has been posted by atheists everywhere in the US, including DP, - “look, I am not a Christian, therefore….” .

    I am not mentioning that I have not noticed anything in your posts which would give a hint that you possibly may be a Christian: These words of yours are a proof for me that you cannot possibly be a Christian:
    Quote Originally Posted by Originally Posted by SkyCore

    If Jesus were to be strolling in America today he'd probably vomit on a regular basis to see how his Sacrifice has been exploited and mangled to support nearly everything he taught against and gave his life for. .
    And i already addressed them: http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1057987858
    Though it is of a secondary importance.

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    Re: "We do not consider ourselves a christian nation", says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by justone View Post
    Moonshine quality makes it stink, whatever may be your arguments.
    Moonshine is not scotch, but sour mash.

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    Re: "We do not consider ourselves a christian nation", says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by aquapub View Post

    -Our laws derive directly from Judeo-Christian teachings. Several of the ratifying states had official state religions.
    Everyone has been making this statement but nobody can back it up.

    Saying it 100 times isn't going to make it true.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: "We do not consider ourselves a christian nation", says Obama

    [quote=justone;1057987996]It is the 2nd or 3rd time you promise to begin, but keep on idling.
    Quote Originally Posted by SkyCore View Post
    Disagree with what? And how does it depend on whether you have decided to pretend to be a Christian or an atheist or a Muslim? So far you are submitting the same obama’s argument – ‘look, I am not a Christian, therefore..’
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1057983898



    I am not mentioning that I have not noticed anything in your posts which would give a hint that you possibly may be a Christian: These words of yours are a proof for me that you cannot possibly be a Christian:
    And i already addressed them: http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1057987858
    Though it is of a secondary importance.
    So iam not a Christian because I pointed out how as a Nation we practice many things that Jesus spoke out against? Pathetic.

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