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    Re: "We do not consider ourselves a christian nation", says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by justone View Post
    The statement The United States is not a Christian nation is just a reciting of the Muslim/atheist’s Tripoli treatment interpretation. The US used exactly the same wording according to the Muslim/atheist’s Tripoli treatment interpretation. Soon after that the USMC was tearing apart Muslim sea pirates, the ones who were assured - according to atheistic beliefs - that the US was not a Christian nation, the ones whose piracy have been defended by the “peaceful” Muslim of DP Laila with such a militant rage.
    Wow. It took over 90 posts before someone brought this up.

    Treaty of peace and Friendship between the United States and the Bey and Subjects of Tripoli of Barbary.Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.
    This was ratified by the US Senate....when many if not most of the Senators were also the "Founding Fathers". Certainly most of the "founders" were still alive.

    The United States is not a "christian nation".

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    Re: "We do not consider ourselves a christian nation", says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by justone View Post
    The concept of binary calculations used in writing software (when absence of software makes a computer to be a piece of junk metal and plastic), was developed by a Christian creationists scientist and mathematician Leibniz. Actually he was not a scientist and mathematician ( one of most fundamental ones) but he was a Christian theologian; scientific and mathematical achievements (one of the greatest) were byproducts of his thoughts about God. Atheists shouldn’t use computers.
    An interesting idea.

    The Babylonians invented the Zero. Everyman with a penis is familiar with the number one. Therefore, one could argue, using your line of reasoning, that the binary system is the product of gay babylonians and since the Babylonians had nothing to do with the Hebrews, then God had nothing to do with computer technology at all.

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    Re: "We do not consider ourselves a christian nation", says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Obama was 100% right. Its refreshing to have a President who actually understands and respects the US Constitution.
    We don't have one of those.

    When you come to understand and respect the constitution, you'll know what I mean.

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    Re: "We do not consider ourselves a christian nation", says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    i hear this statement a lot. If all the christians are leading christ-like lives, kinda makes me wonder where all the sin is coming from.

    Unless some of those christians are lying......
    exactly!!!!
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    Re: "We do not consider ourselves a christian nation", says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    exactly!!!!
    So which of your friends are liars?

    Do you even know?

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    Re: "We do not consider ourselves a christian nation", says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Everyman with a penis is familiar with the number one.
    Does this mean the Hebrews invented fractions?

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    Re: "We do not consider ourselves a christian nation", says Obama

    -Almost 90% of Americans consider themselves Christian.

    -We celebrate Christmas, while Jewish, Islamic, and BS, made up holidays like Kwanzaa are tolerated as minority holidays.

    -We don't allow polygamy...something Islam embraces, but Christianity opposes.

    -We were un-mistakably founded by Anglo-Saxon Christians.

    -Our laws derive directly from Judeo-Christian teachings. Several of the ratifying states had official state religions.

    -The left's alleged poster boy for their "Church and State" myth, Thomas Jefferson, proposed for our national seal an image of Moses parting the Red Sea, under the inscription, "Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to God."

    It goes on and on. The only people who don't acknowledge that this is a Christian nation are people like Obama, who hate it and want to change everything about it.
    Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner (paraphrasing James Bovard).

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    Re: "We do not consider ourselves a christian nation", says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Most "Christians" I know don't have a clue as to what true Christian values are.
    Why don't you enlighten us as to what "true Christian values are?" (And are you a Christian?)

    Thanks!

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    Re: "We do not consider ourselves a christian nation", says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by don'ttreadonme View Post
    Why don't you enlighten us as to what "true Christian values are?" (And are you a Christian?)

    Thanks!
    If you REALLY want to know. Pick up a copy of the New Testament and read it.
    Or there is a great book about Christ written by a Mormon..."Jesus the Christ". It does contain some Mormon doctrine, but is an excellent account of Christ's life.

    True Christian values would be not only those values that Christ spoke of, but also those that he lived by example.

    There are the basics - "Being a good person", "Serving you fellow mankind", "Turning the other cheek", "Forgiveness"
    "Humbleness/Meekness".

    The problem that I see with the VAST majority of fundamentalist "Christians" is that they have lost their way with any of these teachings. Their churches have become a political pulpit lead by a large number of "Pharisees" who use the name of Christ to pursue a right-wing political agenda...attempting to infiltrate their version of Christianity into the public square. They are way too focused on Abortion and anti-gay rights that they lose sight of the big picture.

    I think Christ would take one step into many of these churches and turn around and walk out.
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    Re: "We do not consider ourselves a christian nation", says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    If you REALLY want to know. Pick up a copy of the New Testament and read it.
    Or there is a great book about Christ written by a Mormon..."Jesus the Christ". It does contain some Mormon doctrine, but is an excellent account of Christ's life.

    True Christian values would be not only those values that Christ spoke of, but also those that he lived by example.

    There are the basics - "Being a good person", "Serving you fellow mankind", "Turning the other cheek", "Forgiveness"
    "Humbleness/Meekness".

    The problem that I see with the VAST majority of fundamentalist "Christians" is that they have lost their way with any of these teachings. Their churches have become a political pulpit lead by a large number of "Pharisees" who use the name of Christ to pursue a right-wing political agenda...attempting to infiltrate their version of Christianity into the public square. They are way too focused on Abortion and anti-gay rights that they lose sight of the big picture.

    I think Christ would take one step into many of these churches and turn around and walk out.

    Hmmmmm......that's interesting because I go to an evangelical church and I've never one time heard a sermon about abortion. A handful a times (over a dozen years) we have discussed "gay-rights" in terms of ordination standards and denominational business but that's it.

    I'm curious how often you actually attend these churches to witness what you're so sure is happening in there.

    Oh .... and I've been to "churches" with a leftist ideology (like a U.U. "church") and I've never seen so much blatant politicizing in a church before in my life! Right-wingers would never get away with that. (Perhaps a Catholic church with the abortion issue may rival it but that's about it.)

    eta: And you didn't answer my question. Are you a Christian?

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