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    Re: "We do not consider ourselves a christian nation", says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by theTANTALIZER View Post
    Nothing, but if you formulate the US is an Islam nation then something is wrong here.
    Obama never said that, never inferred that, never hinted at that. Nobody has ever said that. To say that would indeed be wrong. To say we are a Christian nation would indeed be wrong. To say Christianity has influenced this nation would be correct. Same with Islam. The difference is in to what degree.
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    Re: "We do not consider ourselves a christian nation", says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Sure, you got your freedom of religion. And long may she live. But, with numbers too big to ignore, this is a christian nation.
    No this is not a Christian nation. This is a nation in which the majority of the populace claims Christianity as a religion. There is a difference.

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    If you care about freedom of religion, then the idea that the leader of our nation would attach a specific religious tag to the nation should offend you.
    But don't shoot me. I ain't even religious. I'm just calling it like I see it. We can pussy-foot around it and re-phrase it to sound more politically correct if it would make anyone feel better. I dont mind.
    Actually nobody is pussy footing around anything. We are confronting the inaccurate connotation that this nation is Christian because it's always been that way and/or the majority of the populace that has participated in a poll say they are. It's not. I don't care what religion our founding fathers were, this nation consists of people from multiple belief systems or atheists who live here now. We don't inherit religion. We choose our religion. Or we choose not to be religious. I'm not going to sit here and say that this is a "white nation" because the majority of people in it are white. That would be inaccurate.
    But it is what it is and I ain't one to believe it's raining outside when I can clearly see that someone is peeing on my head.
    You are right, it is what it is. And it ain't a Christian nation. It's an American nation.

    Maybe I need to get out more. I dunno.
    I bet you get out plenty CA. But the trappings of religious tradition are dangerous. I have the freedom to worship how I want, just like everyone else. The last thing I want however is my government labeling me apart of something I'm not. Especially when one of the key tenets of the founding of this nation was "freedom of religion."
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    Re: "We do not consider ourselves a christian nation", says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Those who get pissed off over the simple fact that just because christians built it (the constitution) doesn't make it 'CHRISTIAN' without any other evidence.

    There is nothing to state that the constitution and bill of rights are any evidence of the founders building our constitution based upon christian values.
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    Re: "We do not consider ourselves a christian nation", says Obama

    President Obama is right. America is a melting pot and he is making this point clear. Actually the point does need to be made outside the US because many foreigners have this misperception. Besides, look at a good deal of the blogs in discussion even here...gay sex education in schools, gay marriage, etc. We are about as far away from being Christian as you can get.

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    Re: "We do not consider ourselves a christian nation", says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    No this is not a Christian nation. This is a nation in which the majority of the populace claims Christianity as a religion. There is a difference.


    If you care about freedom of religion, then the idea that the leader of our nation would attach a specific religious tag to the nation should offend you.

    Actually nobody is pussy footing around anything. We are confronting the inaccurate connotation that this nation is Christian because it's always been that way and/or the majority of the populace that has participated in a poll say they are. It's not. I don't care what religion our founding fathers were, this nation consists of people from multiple belief systems or atheists who live here now. We don't inherit religion. We choose our religion. Or we choose not to be religious. I'm not going to sit here and say that this is a "white nation" because the majority of people in it are white. That would be inaccurate.

    You are right, it is what it is. And it ain't a Christian nation. It's an American nation.


    I bet you get out plenty CA. But the trappings of religious tradition are dangerous. I have the freedom to worship how I want, just like everyone else. The last thing I want however is my government labeling me apart of something I'm not. Especially when one of the key tenets of the founding of this nation was "freedom of religion."
    I agree that, governmentally, we are not, and should not be categorized as "any kind of a religion nation."

    I speak in terms of the nation being the people it's made up of rather than the government. Thus the confusion. My bad.

    Sure, you got your Islamic mosque here, and your synagogue there, and your buddist (whatever they call their temples) and wiccan covens here and there. But everywhere I have lived, and visited from coast to coast, those religious institutions are, if not an anomaly (sp?,) at minimum an exception to the rule. Meanwhile, there are countless christian churches on nearly every corner.

    That's what I mean when I say we are a christian nation. Hope I cleared that up.
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    Re: "We do not consider ourselves a christian nation", says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    "We" is relative. I could gather 3 or 4 of my friends and boldly state that "We" like beer. And I would be telling the truth (even though we prefer Jack and Coke.)

    Now, maybe President Obama, in his circle of friends may speak truthfully when he says that "We" do not consider ourselves a christian nation.

    Except that isn't what Obama said. This is what he said:

    President Obama told reporters in Turkey that America is not defined by any one religion. "I've said before that one of the great strengths of the United States is, although as I mentioned we have a very large Christian population, we do not consider ourselves a Christian nation or a Jewish nation or a Muslim nation. We consider ourselves a nation of citizens who are bound by ideals and a set of values," said the president.
    http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Obama_..._not_0406.html

    Hell, he even explicitly acknowledged many Americans identify as Christian and that still isn't good enough? How is it in this technological age with tens of millions of sources available and an information highway open 24/7/365.25 that even a simple quote gets diced like scallions? (Nothing personal against CC.)

    I've notice a LOT of posts that have misquoted Obama and the worst part is someone already corrected the OP on the first page! What the hell people?


    But he isn't speaking for my "we." The people I know, in my US of A, most certainly, by a landslide, consider us to be, in fact, a christian nation.

    That speaks volumns about the people in my world and also about the people in Obama's.
    Slave owners who raped their slaves considered themselves Christians too. So much for self-identification.

    Sure, you got your freedom of religion. And long may she live. But, with numbers too big to ignore, this is a christian nation.

    But don't shoot me. I ain't even religious. I'm just calling it like I see it. We can pussy-foot around it and re-phrase it to sound more politically correct if it would make anyone feel better. I dont mind.

    But it is what it is and I ain't one to believe it's raining outside when I can clearly see that someone is peeing on my head.

    Maybe I need to get out more. I dunno.

    We are not a Christian nation by government, action, or in any Christian principle worth living by that iam aware of. If anything, by government, action, and lack of principles we are arguably one of the most anti-Christian nations on earth. (I'm not the pussy-footing around kind of person.)

    I make that proclamation because by numbers we claim to be "Christian" and love to throw that fish symbol around and even throw some money in a plate on some Sunday mornings (when there isn't a big game on.) But we practice almost the opposite of everything Christ taught.

    Let's take the hypocrisy one step further. What would happen if Muslims demanded the Federal government recognize one of their religious celebrations as a Nationally paid Holiday vacation? How many morons would be screaming that's proof Muslims are trying to take over the world? Yet there's no problem with the government taking tax dollars and using that to underwrite Christian holidays?

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    Re: "We do not consider ourselves a christian nation", says Obama

    What principles that are so exclusive to Christianity was this country founded upon that they can be deemed "Christian principles"? If they aren't exclusive to Christianity then why are they "Christian principles" as opposed to enlightenment principles or principles valued at the time?

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    This country was founded BY Christians. However, our government is secular. The idea of secularism is NOT a Christian concept or espoused by any Christian teachings predating the US that I'm aware of. One could argue that because the idea of a secular state was implemented by Christians that it is therefore a Christian idea and thus Christianity must be the foundation for this country. It would be foolish to discredit the role Christianity has played, for better or for worse, in the formation of this government but its also quite silly to claim anything about this country is Christian apart from the people within it.

    Christian people (majority)? Definitely.

    Christian government? Definitely NOT.

    Christian nation? Depends on your definition of nation.
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    Re: "We do not consider ourselves a christian nation", says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by New World Order View Post
    President Obama is right. America is a melting pot and he is making this point clear. Actually the point does need to be made outside the US because many foreigners have this misperception. Besides, look at a good deal of the blogs in discussion even here...gay sex education in schools, gay marriage, etc. We are about as far away from being Christian as you can get.

    What foreigners have what misperceptions?

    Why talk about gays? Jesus never did.

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    Re: "We do not consider ourselves a christian nation", says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by SkyCore View Post
    That's self contradicting. Any nation based on principles of religion is a Theocracy. Also, what are the Judeo-Christian principles being claimed?
    No it's not. Judeo-Christian principles formulated many of the laws and morals that created this country. They did NOT create a theocracy. There is a difference belief and principle, and religion.

    And some of those Judeo-Christian principles are laws against killing and stealing. Many of our founding fathers were some sort of theist, and they based some of the tenets of the laws they created on some of these beliefs...as did many others societies.
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    Re: "We do not consider ourselves a christian nation", says Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by SkyCore View Post
    All of Christianity is based on the principles of accepting Christ and worshiping God. So how can a secular nation be based on worshiping God?
    You are missing the point and thinking in only black and white. This is also a non-sequitur. There are far more Judeo-Christian principles than the one that you mention, and using these principles does not lead to the conclusion you are presenting.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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