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    Iran criticizes Obama, calls on U.S. to scrap nuclear arms

    Iran criticizes Obama, calls on U.S. to scrap nuclear arms

    Iran criticizes Obama, calls on U.S. to scrap nuclear arms | International | Reuters


    TEHRAN (Reuters) - Iran criticized on Monday U.S. President Barack Obama for saying Tehran posed a threat with its nuclear program and urged Washington and other countries possessing atom weapons to dismantle their arsenals.

    Foreign Ministry spokesman Hassan Qashqavi made the comments a day after Obama, who is seeking to engage Iran diplomatically in a sharp policy shift from George W. Bush's approach, set out his vision for ridding the world of such arms.

    This is just the start of what happens when you treat rogue nations as equals. now Iran can make these statements, and the world will more and more listen to them, given Obama's tract of trying to "reach out" to them.

    By "reaching out" we have given this oppressive regime a hair of legitimacy in thier criticisms... To which will only grow as long as we weak knee it towards them.
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    Re: Iran criticizes Obama, calls on U.S. to scrap nuclear arms

    Clinton is turning out to be more incompetent than I thought.
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    Re: Iran criticizes Obama, calls on U.S. to scrap nuclear arms

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Clinton is turning out to be more incompetent than I thought.
    Not by my expectations. Though....I was expecting a crash and burn sort of scenario. Damn, it's tough being right all the time.

    Iran can bitch all the want about our nuclear weapons. In principle I agree, I don't think any government should have them. But reality is different and the most advanced nations got them (namely the West and a handful of others) and we've gotta freeze out who owns what in terms of nuclear weapons especially with States with a penchant for unprovoked war.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Iran criticizes Obama, calls on U.S. to scrap nuclear arms

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Not by my expectations. Though....I was expecting a crash and burn sort of scenario. Damn, it's tough being right all the time.

    Iran can bitch all the want about our nuclear weapons. In principle I agree, I don't think any government should have them. But reality is different and the most advanced nations got them (namely the West and a handful of others) and we've gotta freeze out who owns what in terms of nuclear weapons especially with States with a penchant for unprovoked war.
    We absolutely need our nuclear weapons for now and the foreseeable future. We cannot trust Russia and China enough to disarm ourselves. There's too much of a risk that the other nations will be able to squirrel a few away and be able to launch a first strike or blackmail us.

    The level of trust necessary for this kind of arrangement does not exist and will not exist until Russia and China are free and open societies.

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    Re: Iran criticizes Obama, calls on U.S. to scrap nuclear arms

    Quote Originally Posted by BulletWounD View Post
    The level of trust necessary for this kind of arrangement does not exist and will not exist until Russia and China are free and open societies.
    Or until we're like China. In all honesty, which way do you think the government would like to go? Free and open, or controlled and constrained People? It's obvious, I think one of the dangers of China is if their government in its current form becomes long term stable in the first world markets and activities. Their government is terrible, it's horrible oppression; if it's stable it's just gonna show the other governments the direction they can go and still maintain control.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Iran criticizes Obama, calls on U.S. to scrap nuclear arms

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Or until we're like China. In all honesty, which way do you think the government would like to go? Free and open, or controlled and constrained People? It's obvious, I think one of the dangers of China is if their government in its current form becomes long term stable in the first world markets and activities. Their government is terrible, it's horrible oppression; if it's stable it's just gonna show the other governments the direction they can go and still maintain control.
    The founders of our country already knew that that tyranny could remain stable. Historically, it has. They chose the other route for the sake of the people. It's a matter of tyranny, injustice, and lies vs. liberty, justice, and truth. All three come as a complete package. Remove one element and the system fails to sustain itself.
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    Re: Iran criticizes Obama, calls on U.S. to scrap nuclear arms

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    This is just the start of what happens when you treat rogue nations as equals. now Iran can make these statements, and the world will more and more listen to them, given Obama's tract of trying to "reach out" to them.
    Iran can make these statements despite Obama's foreign policy. It doesn't require political "reaching out" for one country to tell another to disarm.

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    By "reaching out" we have given this oppressive regime a hair of legitimacy in thier criticisms... To which will only grow as long as we weak knee it towards them.
    How exactly is talking with Iran giving their criticisms legitimacy?

    Obviously the "ignore that Iran exists" method held by the previous administration worked wonders for the ME situation.
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    Re: Iran criticizes Obama, calls on U.S. to scrap nuclear arms

    Quote Originally Posted by BulletWounD View Post
    We absolutely need our nuclear weapons for now and the foreseeable future. We cannot trust Russia and China enough to disarm ourselves. There's too much of a risk that the other nations will be able to squirrel a few away and be able to launch a first strike or blackmail us.
    Nuclear weapons are nothing less than the abandonment of what constraints on war exist among civilized people; they are a repudiation of the Just War Theory of St Augustine and St Thomas Aquinas. They are a vicious and evil sort of weapon, that defines victory solely in terms of obliterating the enemy, even at the expense of one's own survival. They are madness incarnate.

    And yet....I agree with you.

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    Re: Iran criticizes Obama, calls on U.S. to scrap nuclear arms

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Nuclear weapons are nothing less than the abandonment of what constraints on war exist among civilized people; they are a repudiation of the Just War Theory of St Augustine and St Thomas Aquinas. They are a vicious and evil sort of weapon, that defines victory solely in terms of obliterating the enemy, even at the expense of one's own survival. They are madness incarnate.

    And yet....I agree with you.
    They're a freak of nature that even military men hate because they pretty much ruin all the tactics and doctrines that have been in development for thousands of years.

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    Re: Iran criticizes Obama, calls on U.S. to scrap nuclear arms

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    This is just the start of what happens when you treat rogue nations as equals. now Iran can make these statements, and the world will more and more listen to them, given Obama's tract of trying to "reach out" to them.

    By "reaching out" we have given this oppressive regime a hair of legitimacy in thier criticisms... To which will only grow as long as we weak knee it towards them.
    I wonder:
    How will The Obama respond to this?

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