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Iran criticizes Obama, calls on U.S. to scrap nuclear arms

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Iran criticizes Obama, calls on U.S. to scrap nuclear arms

Iran criticizes Obama, calls on U.S. to scrap nuclear arms | International | Reuters


TEHRAN (Reuters) - Iran criticized on Monday U.S. President Barack Obama for saying Tehran posed a threat with its nuclear program and urged Washington and other countries possessing atom weapons to dismantle their arsenals.

Foreign Ministry spokesman Hassan Qashqavi made the comments a day after Obama, who is seeking to engage Iran diplomatically in a sharp policy shift from George W. Bush's approach, set out his vision for ridding the world of such arms.
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This is just the start of what happens when you treat rogue nations as equals. now Iran can make these statements, and the world will more and more listen to them, given Obama's tract of trying to "reach out" to them.

By "reaching out" we have given this oppressive regime a hair of legitimacy in thier criticisms... To which will only grow as long as we weak knee it towards them.
 
Clinton is turning out to be more incompetent than I thought.
 
American said:
Clinton is turning out to be more incompetent than I thought.
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Not by my expectations. Though....I was expecting a crash and burn sort of scenario. Damn, it's tough being right all the time.

Iran can bitch all the want about our nuclear weapons. In principle I agree, I don't think any government should have them. But reality is different and the most advanced nations got them (namely the West and a handful of others) and we've gotta freeze out who owns what in terms of nuclear weapons especially with States with a penchant for unprovoked war.
 
Ikari said:
Not by my expectations. Though....I was expecting a crash and burn sort of scenario. Damn, it's tough being right all the time.

Iran can bitch all the want about our nuclear weapons. In principle I agree, I don't think any government should have them. But reality is different and the most advanced nations got them (namely the West and a handful of others) and we've gotta freeze out who owns what in terms of nuclear weapons especially with States with a penchant for unprovoked war.
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We absolutely need our nuclear weapons for now and the foreseeable future. We cannot trust Russia and China enough to disarm ourselves. There's too much of a risk that the other nations will be able to squirrel a few away and be able to launch a first strike or blackmail us.

The level of trust necessary for this kind of arrangement does not exist and will not exist until Russia and China are free and open societies.
 
BulletWounD said:
The level of trust necessary for this kind of arrangement does not exist and will not exist until Russia and China are free and open societies.
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Or until we're like China. In all honesty, which way do you think the government would like to go? Free and open, or controlled and constrained People? It's obvious, I think one of the dangers of China is if their government in its current form becomes long term stable in the first world markets and activities. Their government is terrible, it's horrible oppression; if it's stable it's just gonna show the other governments the direction they can go and still maintain control.
 
Ikari said:
Or until we're like China. In all honesty, which way do you think the government would like to go? Free and open, or controlled and constrained People? It's obvious, I think one of the dangers of China is if their government in its current form becomes long term stable in the first world markets and activities. Their government is terrible, it's horrible oppression; if it's stable it's just gonna show the other governments the direction they can go and still maintain control.
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The founders of our country already knew that that tyranny could remain stable. Historically, it has. They chose the other route for the sake of the people. It's a matter of tyranny, injustice, and lies vs. liberty, justice, and truth. All three come as a complete package. Remove one element and the system fails to sustain itself.
 
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Reverend_Hellh0und said:
This is just the start of what happens when you treat rogue nations as equals. now Iran can make these statements, and the world will more and more listen to them, given Obama's tract of trying to "reach out" to them.
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Iran can make these statements despite Obama's foreign policy. It doesn't require political "reaching out" for one country to tell another to disarm.

Reverend_Hellh0und said:
By "reaching out" we have given this oppressive regime a hair of legitimacy in thier criticisms... To which will only grow as long as we weak knee it towards them.
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How exactly is talking with Iran giving their criticisms legitimacy?

Obviously the "ignore that Iran exists" method held by the previous administration worked wonders for the ME situation.
 
BulletWounD said:
We absolutely need our nuclear weapons for now and the foreseeable future. We cannot trust Russia and China enough to disarm ourselves. There's too much of a risk that the other nations will be able to squirrel a few away and be able to launch a first strike or blackmail us.
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Nuclear weapons are nothing less than the abandonment of what constraints on war exist among civilized people; they are a repudiation of the Just War Theory of St Augustine and St Thomas Aquinas. They are a vicious and evil sort of weapon, that defines victory solely in terms of obliterating the enemy, even at the expense of one's own survival. They are madness incarnate.

And yet....I agree with you.
 
celticlord said:
Nuclear weapons are nothing less than the abandonment of what constraints on war exist among civilized people; they are a repudiation of the Just War Theory of St Augustine and St Thomas Aquinas. They are a vicious and evil sort of weapon, that defines victory solely in terms of obliterating the enemy, even at the expense of one's own survival. They are madness incarnate.

And yet....I agree with you.
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They're a freak of nature that even military men hate because they pretty much ruin all the tactics and doctrines that have been in development for thousands of years.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
This is just the start of what happens when you treat rogue nations as equals. now Iran can make these statements, and the world will more and more listen to them, given Obama's tract of trying to "reach out" to them.

By "reaching out" we have given this oppressive regime a hair of legitimacy in thier criticisms... To which will only grow as long as we weak knee it towards them.
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I wonder:
How will The Obama respond to this?
 
..U.S. President Barack Obama for saying Tehran posed a threat with its nuclear program and urged Washington and other countries possessing atom weapons to dismantle their arsenals.
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Is it just me, or is there something horribly backwards here?

"Hey, that guys got a gun and might start shooting people. C'mon guys, lets get rid of our guns." :confused:
 
WI Crippler said:
Is it just me, or is there something horribly backwards here?

"Hey, that guys got a gun and might start shooting people. C'mon guys, lets get rid of our guns." :confused:
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That it doesnt make sense to you means that you are OK.
 
Iran criticized on Monday U.S. President Barack Obama for saying Tehran posed a threat with its nuclear program and urged Washington and other countries possessing atom weapons to dismantle their arsenals.
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No.




Ah ****, I forgot, 10 words.

Go screw.
 
celticlord said:
Nuclear weapons are nothing less than the abandonment of what constraints on war exist among civilized people; they are a repudiation of the Just War Theory of St Augustine and St Thomas Aquinas. They are a vicious and evil sort of weapon, that defines victory solely in terms of obliterating the enemy, even at the expense of one's own survival. They are madness incarnate.
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[crossbows/machine guns/mustard gas] are nothing less than the abandonment of what constraints on war exist among civilized people; they are a repudiation of the Just War Theory. They are a vicious and evil sort of weapon, that defines victory solely in terms of obliterating the enemy, even at the expense of one's own survival. They are madness incarnate.
 
WI Crippler said:
Is it just me, or is there something horribly backwards here?

"Hey, that guys got a gun and might start shooting people. C'mon guys, lets get rid of our guns." :confused:
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I think you are misreading the quote. It would be more like Iran saying "Hey, you think we have guns, but you all need to get rid of your guns.".

Read what your quoted below with my added '[IRAN]'.

Iran criticized, on Monday, U.S. President Barack Obama for saying Tehran posed a threat with its nuclear program and [IRAN] urged Washington and other countries possessing atom weapons to dismantle their arsenals.
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Gibberish said:
I think you are misreading the quote. It would be more like Iran saying "Hey, you think we have guns, but you all need to get rid of your guns.".

Read what your quoted below with my added '[IRAN]'.
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Well that at least makes sense(that Iran would say that, not that we would entertain the idea of dismantling them).
 
Iran needs to scrap thier current ruling theocracy.

Iran is a nation led by terrorist ****bags who are long overdue for a dirtnap.
 
WI Crippler said:
Is it just me, or is there something horribly backwards here?

"Hey, that guys got a gun and might start shooting people. C'mon guys, lets get rid of our guns." :confused:
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Typical Iranian idiocy. They are trying to make nukes and working very hard to hide their complete and total dishonesty.
 
Man, I think the general atmosphere of this thread is just plain insane. Mosre of why we as American REALLY need to change our own worldview.

Let me see if I get this straight... for decades we have been going to countries with nuclear arms and suggested they disarm themselves.... that fine right. But the minute someone else follows our lead and does the same thing they are insane?

Don't get me wrong... there is no way we would disarm ourselves in the current political state of affairs in the world nor will we be able to for a good long time to come. But so far this is the first rational thing Iran has suggested in a long time.... Disarmament of nuclear weapons.... c'mon everyone would agree that could it actually become reality we would all be better off.

Oh and first off to all of you that don't think that WE, THE UNITED STATES aren't the main impetus for nations to develop nuclear arms.... ESPECIALLY in light of the BUSH DOCTRINE and the policy of striking first to protect our nation interests. What a self absorbed people we have become.
 
Thinkforyourself said:
Man, I think the general atmosphere of this thread is just plain insane. Mosre of why we as American REALLY need to change our own worldview.

Let me see if I get this straight... for decades we have been going to countries with nuclear arms and suggested they disarm themselves.... that fine right. But the minute someone else follows our lead and does the same thing they are insane?

Don't get me wrong... there is no way we would disarm ourselves in the current political state of affairs in the world nor will we be able to for a good long time to come. But so far this is the first rational thing Iran has suggested in a long time.... Disarmament of nuclear weapons.... c'mon everyone would agree that could it actually become reality we would all be better off.

Oh and first off to all of you that don't think that WE, THE UNITED STATES aren't the main impetus for nations to develop nuclear arms.... ESPECIALLY in light of the BUSH DOCTRINE and the policy of striking first to protect our nation interests. What a self absorbed people we have become.
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It's not the "Bush doctrine." Offensive defense is as old as mankind. The US, Russia, and China absolutely NEED nuclear weapons due to the events of history. Iran and NK do not need nuclear weapons. Nobody's going to nuke Iran or NK unless they nuke us first.
 
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BulletWounD said:
It's not the "Bush doctrine." Offensive defense is as old as mankind. The US, Russia, and China absolutely NEED nuclear weapons due to the events of history. Iran and NK do not need nuclear weapons. Nobody's going to nuke Iran or NK unless they nuke us first.
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Ahhhh correct good sir..... but the bush doctrine was the thing that made it American Policy

EDIT: Let me exemplify what I mean..... Judging by how we reacted to Iraq... knowing that their only defense against US invasion should they piss us off or we determine them to be a threat would be a nuclear option.... it only makes good strategic sense for Iran to develop nukes. Or at least one could draw the logical conclusion that this is what they are doing. were so paranoid about the world attacking us again what makes you think that based off our past actions parts of the rest of the world are paranoid about invasion from the US?

Besides we said NK/Iran and Iraq were in the axis of evil..... we invade Iraq and wham.... NK and Iran kick start their Nuclear program into high gear.... coincidence? I think not.
 
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Thinkforyourself said:
Ahhhh correct good sir..... but the bush doctrine was the thing that made it American Policy
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So your thinking is that Iran and NK need nuclear weapons so they can launch a first strike in the event of war?
 
Thinkforyourself said:
Man, I think the general atmosphere of this thread is just plain insane. Mosre of why we as American REALLY need to change our own worldview.

Let me see if I get this straight... for decades we have been going to countries with nuclear arms and suggested they disarm themselves.... that fine right. But the minute someone else follows our lead and does the same thing they are insane?

Don't get me wrong... there is no way we would disarm ourselves in the current political state of affairs in the world nor will we be able to for a good long time to come. But so far this is the first rational thing Iran has suggested in a long time.... Disarmament of nuclear weapons.... c'mon everyone would agree that could it actually become reality we would all be better off.

Oh and first off to all of you that don't think that WE, THE UNITED STATES aren't the main impetus for nations to develop nuclear arms.... ESPECIALLY in light of the BUSH DOCTRINE and the policy of striking first to protect our nation interests. What a self absorbed people we have become.
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Welcome to Debate Politics. I have been very impressed with your posts. :2wave:
 
BulletWounD said:
So your thinking is that Iran and NK need nuclear weapons so they can launch a first strike in the event of war?
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sorry edited my previous post.... no not for 1st strikes but to prevent an unwanted US invasion
 
Thinkforyourself said:
sorry edited my previous post.... no not for 1st strikes but to prevent an unwanted US invasion
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If they use nuclear weapons first, that's a first strike regardless of the circumstances and they would get nuked into oblivion. The bigger fear is that these weapons will get transfered to non-state actors and unstable regimes that are not responsible enough to hold them.
 
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