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    Re: Iran criticizes Obama, calls on U.S. to scrap nuclear arms

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    So giving the countries a pointless label makes it OK to just ignore them? What exactly is the benefit of ignoring Iran or North Korea?

    Not to say they need our undivided attention, but pretending they don't exist is not the correct path to take to alleviate the problems they cause.
    I agree. We don't advance the prospects for peace by ignoring our potential adversaries.

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    Re: Iran criticizes Obama, calls on U.S. to scrap nuclear arms

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    How is it absurd? What benefit came out of Bush's foreign policy of "don't acknowledge they exist"?
    Once more you use absurd descriptions that are not based in REALITY; the statement that Bush did not acknowledge Iran, Syria or North Korea requires willful denial or willful ignorance of the facts.

    Which is it for you? The only thing more laughable than your absurdities is the Liberals who railed about Bush wanting to invade Iran.

    As is typical, you want to take BOTH sides of the issue; Bush was too involved and planning to go to war, but yet he also didn't acknowledge their existence. What a vast pile of BILE.

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    Re: Iran criticizes Obama, calls on U.S. to scrap nuclear arms

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Once more you use absurd descriptions that are not based in REALITY; the statement that Bush did not acknowledge Iran, Syria or North Korea requires willful denial or willful ignorance of the facts.
    The REALITY is that Bush made it point to NOT talk with Iran in any instance. He had the ridiculous idea that the US having diplomatic discussion with Iran somehow validated Iran's ideals.

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    As is typical, you want to take BOTH sides of the issue; Bush was too involved and planning to go to war, but yet he also didn't acknowledge their existence. What a vast pile of BILE.
    When did I say Bush was too involved with Iran?
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    Re: Iran criticizes Obama, calls on U.S. to scrap nuclear arms

    While I think Obama's intentions are good, it's probably too late to change the past 10-15 years worth of foreign policy geared towards ignoring, blocking, or aggravating Iran. Now they're just firing political pot shots back and forth.

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    Re: Iran criticizes Obama, calls on U.S. to scrap nuclear arms

    The REALITY is that Bush made it point to NOT talk with Iran in any instance. He had the ridiculous idea that the US having diplomatic discussion with Iran somehow validated Iran's ideals.
    Reality is Bush had agreed with the EU that the EU would head talks and that if those came to fruition the USA at later stage would become more directly involved.
    Those talks after about 7 years failed.

    The policy Bush set clearly demonstrates he wanted to have a multi-party solution to the problem.

    IoW reality doesn't support your contentions.




    He set a similar (though more direct US involvement) policy with North Korea. Its yet to be seen if that did much at all. Funny thing with this is that during the campaign the Democrats bashed multi-national talks in favor of bi-lateral talks. After years of bashing bi-lateral only talks on the issue.

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    Iran should be told in no uncertain terms the development by their nation of a nuclear weapon will be deemed an act of war.

    Diplomatically it has reached that point.
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    Re: Iran criticizes Obama, calls on U.S. to scrap nuclear arms

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    While I think Obama's intentions are good, it's probably too late to change the past 10-15 years worth of foreign policy geared towards ignoring, blocking, or aggravating Iran. Now they're just firing political pot shots back and forth.

    I don't think it's too late to change relations with any nation, the problem is the world may have decided that American foreign policy is inconsistent, changing with each election, and has the potential to become irrational depending on who is in charge.

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    Re: Iran criticizes Obama, calls on U.S. to scrap nuclear arms

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    The REALITY is that Bush made it point to NOT talk with Iran in any instance. He had the ridiculous idea that the US having diplomatic discussion with Iran somehow validated Iran's ideals.
    Wrong again Gibberish, Bush decided that the consensus was against unilateral negotiations with Iran so his diplomacy relied on the UN to negotiate with Iran just as the Liberals wanted to see happen.

    How did that work for us?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    When did I say Bush was too involved with Iran?
    My comments were general and related to the Leftist media and the Liberals who railed about Bush's "unilateralism" which in itself was a gross exaggeration and distortion not about anything you may have stated.

    Again, I could bombard you with the PROOF of the Bush administrations involvement in world affairs but it would fall on blind eyes and your desperate desire to avoid REALITY and the TRUTH.

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    Re: Iran criticizes Obama, calls on U.S. to scrap nuclear arms

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    While I think Obama's intentions are good, it's probably too late to change the past 10-15 years worth of foreign policy geared towards ignoring, blocking, or aggravating Iran. Now they're just firing political pot shots back and forth.
    Oh yes, and by all means let us willfully ignore Iranís complicity in the poor relations not only with America but with the UN as well.

    Carry on.

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    Re: Iran criticizes Obama, calls on U.S. to scrap nuclear arms

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Wrong again Gibberish, Bush decided that the consensus was against unilateral negotiations with Iran so his diplomacy relied on the UN to negotiate with Iran just as the Liberals wanted to see happen.

    How did that work for us?
    Bush made it quite clear he wouldn't hold diplomatic talks with any country (Syria and Iran in this case) that didn't support his vision of Iraq. He told Iran specifically that if they wanted to have diplomatic talks with the US then they must meet Bush's demands. He fully knows that no country would voluntarily do such things just to have diplomatic talks that would most likely only lead to more demands they would need to meet. He might as well of asked Iran to pay the US $100 million dollars per hour that they meet.

    Talks are about political negotiations, not demand meeting.

    I also find it humorous that Bush is praised for seeking multi-national support and discussions on the matter but Obama is attacked as been weak for doing that same.


    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    My comments were general and related to the Leftist media and the Liberals who railed about Bush's "unilateralism" which in itself was a gross exaggeration and distortion not about anything you may have stated.
    And commenting on the general leftist media has what to do with my statements?

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Again, I could bombard you with the PROOF of the Bush administrations involvement in world affairs but it would fall on blind eyes and your desperate desire to avoid REALITY and the TRUTH.
    That would be a refreshing change from your empty rhetoric and hyperbole of liberals and why they hate America.
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    Re: Iran criticizes Obama, calls on U.S. to scrap nuclear arms

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Bush made it quite clear he wouldn't hold diplomatic talks with any country (Syria and Iran in this case) that didn't support his vision of Iraq. He told Iran specifically that if they wanted to have diplomatic talks with the US then they must meet Bush's demands. He fully knows that no country would voluntarily do such things just to have diplomatic talks that would most likely only lead to more demands they would need to meet. He might as well of asked Iran to pay the US $100 million dollars per hour that they meet.

    Talks are about political negotiations, not demand meeting.

    I also find it humorous that Bush is praised for seeking multi-national support and discussions on the matter but Obama is attacked as been weak for doing that same.



    And commenting on the general leftist media has what to do with my statements?


    That would be a refreshing change from your empty rhetoric and hyperbole of liberals and why they hate America.
    Asking Iran to cease nuclear activities as a precursor to talks is not an unreasonable request.

    Iran is owned and operated by terrorists called the Mullahs. These Mullahs are the bitches of a turd called the Ayetioletbowl Komonkeyboy.

    Religious zealots who punish children for stealing bread by running their arms over with a truck are BEYOND mentally unstable. People of this sort ... DO NOT need to have nuclear toys of ANY kind.

    Iran MUST be stopped by whatever means necessary.

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