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RIP Right to Privacy; ISP firms now store our net information.

kaya'08

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Details of user e-mails, website visits and net phone calls will be stored by internet service providers (ISPs) from Monday under an EU directive.

The plans were drawn up in the wake of the London bombings in 2005.

ISPs and telecoms firms have resisted the proposals while some countries in the EU are contesting the directive.

Jim Killock, executive director of the Open Rights Group, said it was a "crazy directive" with potentially dangerous repercussions for citizens.

All ISPs in the European Union will have to store the records for a year. An EU directive which requires telecoms firms to hold on to telephone records for 12 months is already in force.

The data stored does not include the content of e-mails and websites, nor a recording of a net phone call, but is used to determine connections between individuals.

Authorities can get access to the stored records with a warrant.

Governments across the EU have now started to implement the directive into their own national legislation.
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Okay im pretty disgusted. I'll be off to Saudi Arabia now where i could probably find more rights to privacy then i could here. This is barbaric, an absolute breach of privacy. Who have access to them? Who will see them, who has the authority and what will they do with my private information?
What i do on the internet in the privacy of my own home should STAY with me. If police where so ****ing concerned about what sites criminals are visiting, then they can take there computers where you could find an archive of old and deleted files on the Hard drive anyway. This is absolutely uneccessary. The EU is trying to turn into a dicatorship state. Man, this is really aweful. This is just the beginning of the end of privacy. Heed my words!!!!

BBC NEWS | Technology | Net firms start storing user data
 
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kaya'08 said:
Okay im pretty disgusted. I'll be off to Saudi Arabia now where i could probably find more rights to privacy then i could here. This is barbaric, an absolute breach of privacy. Who have access to them? Who will see them, who has the authority and what will they do with my private information?
What i do on the internet in the privacy of my own home should STAY with me. If police where so ****ing concerned about what sites criminals are visiting, then they can take there computers where you could find an archive of old and deleted files on the Hard drive anyway. This is absolutely uneccessary. The EU is trying to turn into a dicatorship state. Man, this is really aweful. This is just the beginning of the end of privacy. Heed my words!!!!

BBC NEWS | Technology | Net firms start storing user data
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It's okay, brother. There are technologies you can use to get around their little scheme. Tor: anonymity online
 
BulletWounD said:
It's okay, brother. There are technologies you can use to get around their little scheme. Tor: anonymity online
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You the man. I was trying to think if proxy servers could possibly work around there little abusive invasion of privacy, but then again proxy servers tend to be so laggy.
 
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I think this sort of databasing should be completely off hands to the government. This sort of snooping around isn't their duty, privilege, power, or proper use of government authority.
 
Ikari said:
I think this sort of databasing should be completely off hands to the government. This sort of snooping around isn't their duty, privilege, power, or proper use of government authority.
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LOL... this is only the start.

You need protection and you need a life long insurance program.
This is the first step. Information.
They'll just make sure you do the right thing.
Nothing more.

Think of yourself as an AIG executive.
Property of the State.

Enjoy.

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Ikari said:
I think this sort of databasing should be completely off hands to the government. This sort of snooping around isn't their duty, privilege, power, or proper use of government authority.
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Rather have it in the hands of the government that I can elect, than in the hands of a private company that only thinks of profit and I have no influence over what so ever.

Plus many countries already have these laws, either directly or indirectly in place and have been snooping on your net activity for years. Plus then there is the NSA who listens to everything, including this board :).. all in the name of the war on terror of course :)

And no I do not support this action in anyway.
 
BulletWounD said:
It's okay, brother. There are technologies you can use to get around their little scheme. Tor: anonymity online
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From Tor website:
4. Tor anonymizes the origin of your traffic, and it encrypts everything inside the Tor network, but it can't encrypt your traffic between the Tor network and its final destination. If you are communicating sensitive information, you should use as much care as you would on the normal scary Internet — use HTTPS or other end-to-end encryption and authentication.
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I don't know the specifics of the client to TOR interface but unless your requests with TOR are encrypted then its still possible for your ISP to mine your browsing.
 
scourge99 said:
From Tor website:
I don't know the specifics of the client to TOR interface but unless your requests with TOR are encrypted then its still possible for your ISP to mine your browsing.
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No, all your ISP can see is that you're connecting to the first tor node. After that, they're pretty much in the dark. TOR is encrypted all the way to the last node, where it must be decrypted in order to communicate with the server you're trying to communicate with. That means that the exit node and routers in between the exit node and the server can see the data flying over the wire. Using HTTPS or other encryption for sensitive information fixes that flaw.
 
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Internet is a service. Your use of it is not a right.


Besides it Europe..you have no Rights unless your government has deemed fit to give them to you.
 
Triad said:
Internet is a service. Your use of it is not a right.


Besides it Europe..you have no Rights unless your government has deemed fit to give them to you.
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ISP's have a right to decide how much data to log. The government has no business dictating "you must keep data for x months or y years." There's only one reason they would want ISP's to keep this data and that's for future mining.
 
Triad said:
Internet is a service. Your use of it is not a right.


Besides it Europe..you have no Rights unless your government has deemed fit to give them to you.
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Being part of a service doesnt exclude you from rights...and your comment about Europe...example? I cant help to think it was a useless bash against Europe with no basis.
 
kaya'08 said:
Being part of a service doesnt exclude you from rights...and your comment about Europe...example? I cant help to think it was a useless bash against Europe with no basis.
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Well, your ISP does have a right to log data for QoS purposes, etc. Most of them already do this but it must be disclosed in their Terms of Service. You agree to the logging in accordance with contract law. The problem here is that the government is dictating how much data an ISP needs to log and for how long, never mind that it's costly, inefficient, and unnecessary. The ONLY reason they want ISP's to log this data is so that it can be mined in the future.
 
Triad said:
Internet is a service. Your use of it is not a right.


Besides it Europe..you have no Rights unless your government has deemed fit to give them to you.
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And you are referring to what?
 
BulletWounD said:
No, all your ISP can see is that you're connecting to the first tor node. After that, they're pretty much in the dark.
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Yes, and if the traffic between you and node 1 is not encrypted (which TOR does not say it does) then your ISP can log that traffic and thus log your outgoing traffic to TOR which contains your web browsing requests.

TOR is encrypted all the way to the last node, where it must be decrypted in order to communicate with the server you're trying to communicate with.
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node to node data is encrypted. Not client to node data from what I've read.

That means that the exit node and routers in between the exit node and the server can see the data flying over the wire.
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this means that the website you are viewing will not know who is accessing its info. This does nothing to stop the man-in-the-middle attack which is essentially what your ISP is doing.

Using HTTPS or other encryption for sensitive information fixes that flaw.
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and is debate politics or most other websites https? No. Therefore your requests are not being encrypted in a manner to stop your ISP from mining your web browsing.
 
You can say they have "no business" all you want..in the EU the government(of whatever nation) determines that.



I'm bashing Europe by pointing out that Europe is made up of states in which the government are over the people not under the people?????
That is some really thin skin.....(I'm not bashing anyone)

Sorry Europeans but you do not have the same Rights as Americans..all this whining about your Rights is kinda pointless when your governments determine which rights you have.

This also does not interfere with American Rights. Its simply storing data..

"Rights"--a much overused and widely abused term.


Anyway--
Just about everyone on the planet is now in databases somewhere. All your info (esp if your a westerner) is logged and filed. If someone wants to find out all they can about you they will.
That will not change it just is.
 
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Triad said:
You can say they have "no business" all you want..in the EU the government(of whatever nation) determines that.



I'm bashing Europe by pointing out that Europe is made up of states in which the government are over the people not under the people?????
That is some really thin skin.....(I'm not bashing anyone)

Sorry Europeans but you do not have the same Rights as Americans..all this whining about your Rights is kinda pointless when your governments determine which rights you have.
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Again, a useless assertion with no basis.
 
Triad said:
Sorry Europeans but you do not have the same Rights as Americans..all this whining about your Rights is kinda pointless when your governments determine which rights you have.

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Sorry, but that's an ignorant statement with no basis in fact. Or are you referring to that most important American right....your gun collection?
 
PeteEU said:
Rather have it in the hands of the government that I can elect, than in the hands of a private company that only thinks of profit and I have no influence over what so ever.
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I'd rather it not exist at all. No reason why I should have to settle for the lesser of two evils if I can strive for no evil at all.
 
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