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    Re: RIP Right to Privacy; ISP firms now store our net information.

    Quote Originally Posted by Triad View Post
    Internet is a service. Your use of it is not a right.


    Besides it Europe..you have no Rights unless your government has deemed fit to give them to you.
    Being part of a service doesnt exclude you from rights...and your comment about Europe...example? I cant help to think it was a useless bash against Europe with no basis.
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    Re: RIP Right to Privacy; ISP firms now store our net information.

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Being part of a service doesnt exclude you from rights...and your comment about Europe...example? I cant help to think it was a useless bash against Europe with no basis.
    Well, your ISP does have a right to log data for QoS purposes, etc. Most of them already do this but it must be disclosed in their Terms of Service. You agree to the logging in accordance with contract law. The problem here is that the government is dictating how much data an ISP needs to log and for how long, never mind that it's costly, inefficient, and unnecessary. The ONLY reason they want ISP's to log this data is so that it can be mined in the future.

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    Re: RIP Right to Privacy; ISP firms now store our net information.

    Quote Originally Posted by Triad View Post
    Internet is a service. Your use of it is not a right.


    Besides it Europe..you have no Rights unless your government has deemed fit to give them to you.
    And you are referring to what?
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    Re: RIP Right to Privacy; ISP firms now store our net information.

    Quote Originally Posted by BulletWounD View Post
    No, all your ISP can see is that you're connecting to the first tor node. After that, they're pretty much in the dark.
    Yes, and if the traffic between you and node 1 is not encrypted (which TOR does not say it does) then your ISP can log that traffic and thus log your outgoing traffic to TOR which contains your web browsing requests.

    TOR is encrypted all the way to the last node, where it must be decrypted in order to communicate with the server you're trying to communicate with.
    node to node data is encrypted. Not client to node data from what I've read.

    That means that the exit node and routers in between the exit node and the server can see the data flying over the wire.
    this means that the website you are viewing will not know who is accessing its info. This does nothing to stop the man-in-the-middle attack which is essentially what your ISP is doing.

    Using HTTPS or other encryption for sensitive information fixes that flaw.
    and is debate politics or most other websites https? No. Therefore your requests are not being encrypted in a manner to stop your ISP from mining your web browsing.
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    Re: RIP Right to Privacy; ISP firms now store our net information.

    You can say they have "no business" all you want..in the EU the government(of whatever nation) determines that.



    I'm bashing Europe by pointing out that Europe is made up of states in which the government are over the people not under the people?????
    That is some really thin skin.....(I'm not bashing anyone)

    Sorry Europeans but you do not have the same Rights as Americans..all this whining about your Rights is kinda pointless when your governments determine which rights you have.

    This also does not interfere with American Rights. Its simply storing data..

    "Rights"--a much overused and widely abused term.


    Anyway--
    Just about everyone on the planet is now in databases somewhere. All your info (esp if your a westerner) is logged and filed. If someone wants to find out all they can about you they will.
    That will not change it just is.
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    Re: RIP Right to Privacy; ISP firms now store our net information.

    Quote Originally Posted by Triad View Post
    You can say they have "no business" all you want..in the EU the government(of whatever nation) determines that.



    I'm bashing Europe by pointing out that Europe is made up of states in which the government are over the people not under the people?????
    That is some really thin skin.....(I'm not bashing anyone)

    Sorry Europeans but you do not have the same Rights as Americans..all this whining about your Rights is kinda pointless when your governments determine which rights you have.
    Again, a useless assertion with no basis.
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    Re: RIP Right to Privacy; ISP firms now store our net information.

    Quote Originally Posted by Triad View Post

    Sorry Europeans but you do not have the same Rights as Americans..all this whining about your Rights is kinda pointless when your governments determine which rights you have.

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    Sorry, but that's an ignorant statement with no basis in fact. Or are you referring to that most important American right....your gun collection?

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    Re: RIP Right to Privacy; ISP firms now store our net information.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Rather have it in the hands of the government that I can elect, than in the hands of a private company that only thinks of profit and I have no influence over what so ever.
    I'd rather it not exist at all. No reason why I should have to settle for the lesser of two evils if I can strive for no evil at all.
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