"I believe in a Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the harmony of all that exists, but not in a God who concerns himself with the fate and actions of human beings."
--Albert Einstein, 1929
"He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
Today, what purpose -does- NATO serve, and what would the US lose by not being a part of it?
Further, if the US were not part of NATO, how effective would NATO be (given the purpose it serves, noted above)?
With the notable exception of the UK, that question is legitimate. There's been little to support the notion of a European nation having a significant, effective, large scale military force.On top of that they have the balls to question the legitimacy of our forces.
On paper. In reality, the US has FAR more operational/combat experience than any other large-scale military in the world. This is a substantial advantage.On a general scale, our forces are no less capable then yours...
I recall in 1991, before and during Desert Storm, the UK was only able to scrape together a single brigade of operational Challengers, and the French armored contingent was thought of so highly that it was given the role of protecting the US left, where there were no Iraqis.
This doesnít in any way question the professionalism of these armies or the people in them, just the claim as to their operational effectiveness.
Its about time we stood up to these fooking retards like Americans of days gone past. We are so fooking concerned about what people thinks about us it makes me fooking sick. We are turning into a Nation of pussies.
Some people just need to be taken off the face of the Earth.
Wow, this really is an emergency. The UN held an emergency meeting 4 days ago. The US & EU have demanded a strong response.Originally Posted by BBC World News
The UN Security Council is due to hold an emergency session on a controversial rocket launch by North Korea.
The US and EU said the launch demanded a strong response from the Security Council, but China and Russia have called for restraint.
North Korea said the rocket put a satellite into orbit but the US and South Korea disputed this, saying it was a cover for a missile test.
They said the launch failed, with parts of the rocket landing in the Pacific.
We're still waiting for the emergency press conference to announce the course of action that the UN plans in response to this emergency.
Pain can be such a beautiful thing
Hehehe...Hahaha...Hohohoho. My side hurts now.
Because we are now the Community Organization of the United States, and the community organizing administration has taken over the White House and our International policy who plan to hand over our security to the UN, expect NOTHING to come of this issue.
The most useless and feckless organization in the world today is the United Nations. Russia and China will of course do what they always do to support rogue nations that are convenient to their obstructionism against the world and veto any sanctions.
Yes folks, I am feeling so much better knowing that the UN will now be even MORE feckless and involved in endless wasteful negotiations with despots, tyrants, terrorists and dictators. I am sure if they embrace the policy of the community organization of the United States and hug these despots, explain to them that they just want to listen to their grievances and require NO preconditions to any talks, these despots, tyrants, terrorists and dictators will suddenly lay down their arms and stop their attempts to disrupt the world with their inhuman actions and embrace Democracy and human rights.
All the world showed up for the Gulf War and the majority did nothing. America and Britian bore the burden. All the world showed up for Somalia and the majority behaved horribly. America bore the burden. And Bosnia? Once again, American powers led the way and conducted the majority oof the missions. Kosovo? American sorties made up over 65 percent of the effort. And of course when it comes to America's protection after 9/11, the rest simply groan at having to help or to even show up.
So what we have here after 19 years since the end of the Cold War, is a very good guage to determine who the beast of burden is and who simply seeks ways to take advantage while getting away with the bare minimum.
From an international effort against an invading tyrant, a UN humanitarian mission in Africa, a genocidal issue in Europe, and America's very defense, we all know, whether we acknowledge it or not, that America can depend on itself and the Birts. No one else. And that any international "cooperation" involved is only about showing face, but not really seeking to play a part.
This was true before the Berlin Wall came down and this is true today. NATO was always about Europe. Not America.
Last edited by MSgt; 04-11-09 at 11:18 AM.