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    Re: North Korean Rocket fails, hours after claiming success.

    Quote Originally Posted by New World Order View Post
    Oh yeah. Lets keep trying to convince the third world that the only people that know how to handle these weapons are coincidentally the ones which already have an arsenal. If I was North Korean I would agree with any country pushing me that I would stop the program and destroy my nukes or technology behind it...only...if they did as well, but playing to a double standard, forget it.
    We created them --- and we are capable of maintaining an arsenal (we have to do this to keep Russia and China checked) safely.

    North Korea is run by a mental patient dictator who is about as stable as San Francisco during an earthquake.

    The same logic applies to Iran --- accept Iran is a retarded theocracy run by a collection of terrorists.

    North Korea sold nuclear technology to Syria --- this has been proven. As such, North Korea has proven they CANNOT be trusted. North Korea armed a country that supports terrorism.

    Did you notice how quickly Israel put a foot up Syria's ass over the issue?

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    This isn't about fair, it's about keeping NK from have nukes. I don't give a damn if it's fair or not, I don't want them to have them period. I'd be joyous if only the US had them.
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    Re: North Korean Rocket fails, hours after claiming success.

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    This isn't about fair, it's about keeping NK from have nukes. I don't give a damn if it's fair or not, I don't want them to have them period. I'd be joyous if only the US had them.
    This is a terrible position, you act as if Americans are the only ones capable of controlling themselves.

    If anything Americans lack much self control when it comes to nuclear weapons, we are the only nation to ever use them in an aggressive manor.

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    Re: North Korean Rocket fails, hours after claiming success.

    The U.S. being the only country with nuclear weapons would be a very bad situation.

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    Re: North Korean Rocket fails, hours after claiming success.

    Quote Originally Posted by thabigred View Post
    This is a terrible position, you act as if Americans are the only ones capable of controlling themselves.

    If anything Americans lack much self control when it comes to nuclear weapons, we are the only nation to ever use them in an aggressive manor.
    Those bombs were developed specifically to win WWII. They were being developed on all sides and you can be damned sure the other parties would have used them if they had gotten them first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BulletWounD View Post
    Those bombs were developed specifically to win WWII. They were being developed on all sides and you can be damned sure the other parties would have used them if they had gotten them first.
    Those are excuses, the fact being we are the only nation that has ever been aggressive with nukes, so having the stance we are the only ones who should have them is the kind of **** that drives nations like Iran and North Korea to them in the first place.

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    Re: North Korean Rocket fails, hours after claiming success.

    Quote Originally Posted by thabigred View Post
    Those are excuses, the fact being we are the only nation that has ever been aggressive with nukes, so having the stance we are the only ones who should have them is the kind of **** that drives nations like Iran and North Korea to them in the first place.
    Yes, we did use them. I doubt it was necessary but there were several determining factors which made it seem attractive at the time. As an island nation, we probably could have starved them without any real fight, but what would have been the result? Millions of deaths. Probably more than died in Nagasaki and Hiroshima....

    1) The prospect of a long and bloody war against an enemy that saw surrender as worse than death. If the American public would have found out in the future that we could have ended the war and saved millions of lives, how would that reflect on the leadership of the time?
    2) The general hatred of the Japanese which engulfed America as a result of Japanese atrocities against the Chinese prior to the war and then, of course, the attack on Pearl Harbor.

    I think what's driving them is the perception that nuclear weapons will allow them to engage in conquest relatively unscathed by outside powers. This is an illusion and a dangerous one which could trigger WWIII, apocalypse, etc.

    We are obligated as a NWS under the NPT to reduce our nuclear arsenal. So is Russia, China, France, and the UK. However, the lack of trust which exists between these parties is so profound that the progress has been marginal at best. This is not likely to change in the near future. The fact that Russia and China are upgrading their arsenals (that is, as we speak) exacerbates this problem.
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    Re: North Korean Rocket fails, hours after claiming success.

    Quote Originally Posted by thabigred View Post
    This is a terrible position, you act as if Americans are the only ones capable of controlling themselves.

    If anything Americans lack much self control when it comes to nuclear weapons, we are the only nation to ever use them in an aggressive manor.
    We lack self control? How many have we dropped enemies since WWII?
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    Re: North Korean Rocket fails, hours after claiming success.

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    We lack self control? How many have we dropped enemies since WWII?
    I think his point is how many nukes has anyone else in the world dropped on their enemies?

    US - 2
    Other 18 or so countries - 0

    We are the only country that has ever used nukes on an enemy so therefore we should be the only country trusted with them?
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    Re: North Korean Rocket fails, hours after claiming success.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    I think his point is how many nukes has anyone else in the world dropped on their enemies?

    US - 2
    Other 18 or so countries - 0

    We are the only country that has ever used nukes on an enemy so therefore we should be the only country trusted with them?
    It's illogical to trust your enemy. The current situation is based (rightly) off of mutual distrust

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