Page 5 of 10 FirstFirst ... 34567 ... LastLast
Results 41 to 50 of 98

Thread: North Korean Rocket fails, hours after claiming success.

  1. #41
    Tavern Bartender
    Constitutionalist
    American's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Virginia
    Last Seen
    Today @ 11:55 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    76,298

    Re: North Korean Rocket fails, hours after claiming success.

    Quote Originally Posted by BulletWounD View Post
    What do you call it when you work for pretty much nothing, have no personal autonomy, and cannot leave, while your masters live lavish lives in their palaces and mansions?



    "It had long been realized that the only secure basis for oligarchy is collectivism. Wealth and privilege are most easily defended when they are possessed jointly. The so-called 'abolition of private property' meant in effect the concentration of property in far fewer hands than before...with the result, forseen and intended beforehand, that economic inequality has been made permanent." -George Orwell [1984]
    Marriage?
    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
    "Fly-over" country voted, and The Donald is now POTUS.

  2. #42
    Student thabigred's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Last Seen
    04-24-09 @ 01:41 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    205

    Re: North Korean Rocket fails, hours after claiming success.

    Quote Originally Posted by BulletWounD View Post
    The Mexican government is corrupt, top to bottom.

    There's nothing wrong with importing food. The problem with the DPRK is they've destroyed their economy to such an extent that they need HANDOUTS to survive. They are living off of state welfare.

    I'm sorry. This is an insane position.
    Yeah the mexican government is corrupt, but they all were democratically voted in, so it is the mexican people's own fault for bad leadership. Mexico was given the chance to become one of the largest produces of grain in the world, and they turned it down. They don't destroy there economy, but they openly deny tools for a successful economy.

    The economic woes in North Korea happened when there main economic partner, the soviet union dismantled. If you look at the time line, that is around the time the famine started.

    Since then North Korea has opened up SEZ's(Special Economic Zones) with South Korea.

    North Korea is trying, and those handouts were because America dismantled there key economic partner so layoff.

    North Korea is not this isolationist country as many American's think, and the more we pressure them to conform to our ideals the more they will push away from what needs to be done.

  3. #43
    Educator BulletWounD's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Last Seen
    02-17-11 @ 09:06 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    984

    Re: North Korean Rocket fails, hours after claiming success.

    Quote Originally Posted by thabigred View Post
    Yeah the mexican government is corrupt, but they all were democratically voted in, so it is the mexican people's own fault for bad leadership. Mexico was given the chance to become one of the largest produces of grain in the world, and they turned it down. They don't destroy there economy, but they openly deny tools for a successful economy.
    Could you elaborate on this further?

    The economic woes in North Korea happened when there main economic partner, the soviet union dismantled. If you look at the time line, that is around the time the famine started.

    Since then North Korea has opened up SEZ's(Special Economic Zones) with South Korea.
    True, but I see the SEZ as a huge risk due to investment security. The tyrants in Pyongyang could nationalize it at any time.

    North Korea is trying, and those handouts were because America dismantled there key economic partner so layoff.
    They were getting handouts from the Soviets too. If it weren't for the handouts from the Soviets, NK would be nothing. China has taken the role of the teet upon which the North Koreans suck. Some nations give them aid out of fear (terrorism).

    North Korea is not this isolationist country as many American's think, and the more we pressure them to conform to our ideals the more they will push away from what needs to be done.
    Actually, yes they are. Their state policy of "Juche" or "self-reliance" dictates that they not engage in trade to any meaningful extent. Of course their willingness to accept state welfare makes a mockery of "self-reliance."

  4. #44
    Sage
    UtahBill's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    Utah
    Last Seen
    12-03-17 @ 01:39 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    17,687

    Re: North Korean Rocket fails, hours after claiming success.

    Quote Originally Posted by thabigred View Post
    Yeah the mexican government is corrupt, but they all were democratically voted in, so it is the mexican people's own fault for bad leadership. Mexico was given the chance to become one of the largest produces of grain in the world, and they turned it down. They don't destroy there economy, but they openly deny tools for a successful economy.


    North Korea is trying, and those handouts were because America dismantled there key economic partner so layoff.

    North Korea is not this isolationist country as many American's think, and the more we pressure them to conform to our ideals the more they will push away from what needs to be done.
    You are long on rhetoric and short on substance. Got some links about your grain claim? The 2 grains that Mexico CAN grow are corn and rice. As I said, and you ignored, oats, wheat and barley and similar grains need a climate that isn't found in Mexico, at least not enough to sustain those grain crops in the quantites needed.
    As for the USA dismantling their key economic partner, there is NOTHING stopping the Russian states, former members of the USSR, etc. from trading with NK, except that the NK nation has precious little to export in trade for their needed imports...
    Oracle of Utah
    Truth rings hollow in empty heads.

  5. #45
    Student thabigred's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Last Seen
    04-24-09 @ 01:41 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    205

    Re: North Korean Rocket fails, hours after claiming success.

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    You are long on rhetoric and short on substance. Got some links about your grain claim? The 2 grains that Mexico CAN grow are corn and rice. As I said, and you ignored, oats, wheat and barley and similar grains need a climate that isn't found in Mexico, at least not enough to sustain those grain crops in the quantites needed.
    As for the USA dismantling their key economic partner, there is NOTHING stopping the Russian states, former members of the USSR, etc. from trading with NK, except that the NK nation has precious little to export in trade for their needed imports...
    In 1944 Norman Borlaug arrived in Mexico and worked there developing his methods to better produce grain. After he perfected his craft he tried to teach the Mexican people his craft and they denied him, saying his ideas were stupid. Norman taught American Farmers his craft and later went to China and India teaching those countries how they could reduce physical labor for grain to almost nothing. At this moment there are statues riddled throughout China and India and he received the world food prize and is known as the father of the green revolution. These are all common facts that anyone who educate themselves on the subject could fine very easily with google.


    Norman Borlaug in Mexico growing wheat

    Dr. Norman E. Borlaug - 20th Century Lessons for the 21st Century World

    Read the mexico section.

    After Norman taught them to grow the wheat and allowed them to become self sufficient, the scrapped his teachings and went back to the old rule of thought.

    Instead of being self sufficient, Mexico is now one of the largest importers of grain.

    Also about the USSR, you are half right, sure no one is physically stopping them, but actually there are forces keeping them from doing business with each other. Many of the former soviet states have regressed economically and Russia is a shell of it's former self.

    So yes there are things impeding economic growth in North Korea and America is a direct involvement to there economic woes. We had our hands all over soviet unions dismantling, we defeated that empire. All those small countries that did business with USSR are hurting because of it.

    Quote Originally Posted by BulletWounD View Post
    Could you elaborate on this further?

    True, but I see the SEZ as a huge risk due to investment security. The tyrants in Pyongyang could nationalize it at any time.

    They were getting handouts from the Soviets too. If it weren't for the handouts from the Soviets, NK would be nothing. China has taken the role of the teet upon which the North Koreans suck. Some nations give them aid out of fear (terrorism).

    Actually, yes they are. Their state policy of "Juche" or "self-reliance" dictates that they not engage in trade to any meaningful extent. Of course their willingness to accept state welfare makes a mockery of "self-reliance."
    I think I elaborated in the post above this one. Mexico is not as welcoming to new ideas, especially when some of them seem like the obviously good for them to do so.

    As for the tyrants in Pyongyang nationalizing it, what incentive would they have to nationalize the SEZ? You are obviously biased because they are communist, it shows in your posts. You can't see anything good coming from something you don't agree with.

    The rest of what you said is hysterical, as I said before you can't see anything good coming from something you don't agree with. All you promote about North Korea is propaganda, stuff that has no bases in actual events.

  6. #46
    Educator BulletWounD's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Last Seen
    02-17-11 @ 09:06 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    984

    Re: North Korean Rocket fails, hours after claiming success.

    Quote Originally Posted by thabigred View Post
    In 1944 Norman Borlaug arrived in Mexico and worked there developing his methods to better produce grain. After he perfected his craft he tried to teach the Mexican people his craft and they denied him, saying his ideas were stupid. Norman taught American Farmers his craft and later went to China and India teaching those countries how they could reduce physical labor for grain to almost nothing. At this moment there are statues riddled throughout China and India and he received the world food prize and is known as the father of the green revolution. These are all common facts that anyone who educate themselves on the subject could fine very easily with google.


    Norman Borlaug in Mexico growing wheat

    Dr. Norman E. Borlaug - 20th Century Lessons for the 21st Century World

    Read the mexico section.

    After Norman taught them to grow the wheat and allowed them to become self sufficient, the scrapped his teachings and went back to the old rule of thought.

    Instead of being self sufficient, Mexico is now one of the largest importers of grain.
    This is their prerogative. I'm sure there are factors which make it a better solution to import wheat that to produce it indigenously (climate, soil, irrigation, etc.)

    Also about the USSR, you are half right, sure no one is physically stopping them, but actually there are forces keeping them from doing business with each other. Many of the former soviet states have regressed economically and Russia is a shell of it's former self.
    Many of these regimes are corrupt, with elements that are preventing the liberalization necessary for success.

    So yes there are things impeding economic growth in North Korea and America is a direct involvement to there economic woes. We had our hands all over soviet unions dismantling, we defeated that empire. All those small countries that did business with USSR are hurting because of it.
    To an extent, we played a part. But most of the work was done by the leaders of the USSR. Kruschev, Gorbachev, and Yeltsin all progressively liberalized Russia because they could see that they could never compete with the free market system. The problem is the corrupt and centralized economy that has been left in place of the state owned enterprises.

    I think I elaborated in the post above this one. Mexico is not as welcoming to new ideas, especially when some of them seem like the obviously good for them to do so.
    That's their prerogative.

    As for the tyrants in Pyongyang nationalizing it, what incentive would they have to nationalize the SEZ? You are obviously biased because they are communist, it shows in your posts. You can't see anything good coming from something you don't agree with.
    Virtually nothing good comes out of NK - just poverty and death. Of course there's the risk that they'll nationalize the assets in the SEZ. It doesn't really matter "why" they decide to do it, the fact that NK is controlled by a totalitarian regime means they can do whatever the hell they want. It'd be idiotic not to take this into account if you're considering investing there.

    The rest of what you said is hysterical, as I said before you can't see anything good coming from something you don't agree with. All you promote about North Korea is propaganda, stuff that has no bases in actual events.
    Please tell me exactly what I've said that's "hysterical" or "propaganda." Wouldn't you agree that making threats to your neighbors, spending most of your money on the military, and then building a nuclear program at the expense of your people only to bargain it away for aid qualifies as terrorism? I do. It's the equivalent of a terrorist with a bomb jacket on, threating to blow himself up if you don't give him money. People are too afraid to not give him money for fear that he'll blow himself up and people are too afraid to shoot him for fear that they'll detonate the bomb.

    This post is so inane it's not even worth addressing. To think, you call yourself a libertarian. Take off the mask.

    Edit: F it. I addressed it.
    Last edited by BulletWounD; 04-08-09 at 03:21 PM.

  7. #47
    Sage
    UtahBill's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    Utah
    Last Seen
    12-03-17 @ 01:39 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    17,687

    Re: North Korean Rocket fails, hours after claiming success.

    Quote Originally Posted by thabigred View Post
    In 1944 Norman Borlaug arrived in Mexico and worked there developing his methods to better produce grain. After he perfected his craft he tried to teach the Mexican people his craft and they denied him, saying his ideas were stupid. Norman taught American Farmers his craft and later went to China and India teaching those countries how they could reduce physical labor for grain to almost nothing. At this moment there are statues riddled throughout China and India and he received the world food prize and is known as the father of the green revolution. These are all common facts that anyone who educate themselves on the subject could fine very easily with google.


    Norman Borlaug in Mexico growing wheat

    Dr. Norman E. Borlaug - 20th Century Lessons for the 21st Century World

    Read the mexico section.

    After Norman taught them to grow the wheat and allowed them to become self sufficient, the scrapped his teachings and went back to the old rule of thought.

    Instead of being self sufficient, Mexico is now one of the largest importers of grain.

    Also about the USSR, you are half right, sure no one is physically stopping them, but actually there are forces keeping them from doing business with each other. Many of the former soviet states have regressed economically and Russia is a shell of it's former self.

    So yes there are things impeding economic growth in North Korea and America is a direct involvement to there economic woes. We had our hands all over soviet unions dismantling, we defeated that empire. All those small countries that did business with USSR are hurting because of it.


    I think I elaborated in the post above this one. Mexico is not as welcoming to new ideas, especially when some of them seem like the obviously good for them to do so.

    As for the tyrants in Pyongyang nationalizing it, what incentive would they have to nationalize the SEZ? You are obviously biased because they are communist, it shows in your posts. You can't see anything good coming from something you don't agree with.

    The rest of what you said is hysterical, as I said before you can't see anything good coming from something you don't agree with. All you promote about North Korea is propaganda, stuff that has no bases in actual events.
    Well, I didn't read ALL of it, but what I read said that Mexico went from being an importer of wheat, to an exporter. So how does that make them an under producer? I assumed you were correct on that and offered up information I thought was correct, it seems we are both wrong, unless you have more long winded posts to claim things not in the least related to the OP...
    Oracle of Utah
    Truth rings hollow in empty heads.

  8. #48
    Sage
    kaya'08's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    British Turk
    Last Seen
    05-12-14 @ 01:14 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    6,363

    Re: North Korean Rocket fails, hours after claiming success.

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Well, I didn't read ALL of it, but what I read said that Mexico went from being an importer of wheat, to an exporter. So how does that make them an under producer? I assumed you were correct on that and offered up information I thought was correct, it seems we are both wrong, unless you have more long winded posts to claim things not in the least related to the OP...
    Read:

    Instead of being self sufficient, Mexico is now one of the largest importers of grain.
    (ten words)
    "If religious instruction were not allowed until the child had attained the age of reason, we would be living in quite a different world" - Christopher Hitchens
    > Good to be back, but I'm only visiting for a few weeks. <

  9. #49
    Student thabigred's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Last Seen
    04-24-09 @ 01:41 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    205

    Re: North Korean Rocket fails, hours after claiming success.

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Well, I didn't read ALL of it, but what I read said that Mexico went from being an importer of wheat, to an exporter. So how does that make them an under producer? I assumed you were correct on that and offered up information I thought was correct, it seems we are both wrong, unless you have more long winded posts to claim things not in the least related to the OP...
    They stopped using Norman Borlaugs techniques soon after, I do not know why but most biologist's are baffled at Mexicans resistance to reforms in there agriculture industry.

    I brought this up because I was trying to show how many other nations are just as bad if not worse than North Korea about famines and feeding there people. The famine in North Korea was a direct result to inability to pay for agriculure after soviet Union was dismantled.

    With the USSR dismantled and that steady supply of economic advantages in North Korea, the people starved as they could not afford to grow enough crops or import enough food.

    Since America was the key player in the USSR dismantling, it makes since why the Norks would want to lash out against us. We cut off one of there largest means of income, and with it there people starved.

    This idea that the people are starving because of long range missile research is propaganda bull****. North Korea is doing the same thing Germany did after WWI, they are rushing to build weapons to lash out at those who threatened there economy and expect unfair agreements to be passed.

  10. #50
    Educator BulletWounD's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Last Seen
    02-17-11 @ 09:06 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    984

    Re: North Korean Rocket fails, hours after claiming success.

    Quote Originally Posted by thabigred View Post
    They stopped using Norman Borlaugs techniques soon after, I do not know why but most biologist's are baffled at Mexicans resistance to reforms in there agriculture industry.

    I brought this up because I was trying to show how many other nations are just as bad if not worse than North Korea about famines and feeding there people. The famine in North Korea was a direct result to inability to pay for agriculure after soviet Union was dismantled.

    With the USSR dismantled and that steady supply of economic advantages in North Korea, the people starved as they could not afford to grow enough crops or import enough food.

    Since America was the key player in the USSR dismantling, it makes since why the Norks would want to lash out against us. We cut off one of there largest means of income, and with it there people starved.

    This idea that the people are starving because of long range missile research is propaganda bull****. North Korea is doing the same thing Germany did after WWI, they are rushing to build weapons to lash out at those who threatened there economy and expect unfair agreements to be passed.
    Blah blah blah... Blame America. It's always America or "the capitalists." Poor, beleaguered little tyrants... Don't give me this ****. NK decided it was wise to unilaterally invade the south. Now NK has a "military first" policy which places the military ahead of its people. That's not our fault.

Page 5 of 10 FirstFirst ... 34567 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •